Free Throw Lane Violation

[wbrown]

I have to disagree with you comment about not-so-knowledgeable officials.

Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by wbrown

I have to disagree with you comment about not-so-knowledgeable officials.

Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.

That simply is a false statement. There is no rule requiring each player to stay within his/her vertical plane.

Being outside that plane may make a player more responsible for any contact that occurs, but if there is no contact, a player can put his/her arm wherever he/she darn well pleases (other than directly in front of another player's face in an effort to obscure that player's vision).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by wbrown

Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.

Reference, please.

[wbrown]

http://www.piaa.org/assets/web/docum...lletin%201.pdf

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by wbrown

http://www.piaa.org/assets/web/docum...lletin%201.pdf

Unfortunately, that comment is not supported by NFHS rules.

[wbrown]

Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by wbrown

Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?

Did the "one-step back" cause A1 to leave the space?

Did the movement disconcert the FT shooter?

If neither, then the official was not correct.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wbrown

Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?

The question you need to ask, "How deep is the lane space?"

[wbrown]

IMO he did not disconcert the FT shooter. But how deep is the lane space. I thought it was 36 inches wide and 12 inches deep but I am not positive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wbrown

I have to disagree with you comment about not-so-knowledgeable officials.

Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.

The entire second half of your post is incorrect. As others have pointed out, NFHS rules do not require arms legs and torso remain in the space. Also, which hasn't been mentioned, the ball does not need to strike the basket before they can leave their space. They can also leave once it hits the backboard.

I hate it when refs inform the players to "wait til it hits the rim" on free throws.

Wow, I see that's directly from the PIAA website. Sad. They really ought to read the rules before posting these sorts of things.

Originally Posted by wbrown

Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.

First of all, already mentioned on the board, this isn't even supported by rule. Second of all, if the part in red is true, then basketball might as well as be played by kids with sticks up their a**es.

[wbrown]

Sorry I upset you but if you look at my post. This was posted by the PIAA who governs the high school rules in Pennsylvania. I have since contacted them in hopes of getting a correction or retraction.

[Fritz]

Another violation I see at the younger levels a bit is the one where their body is leaning into the lane after they release and eventually their foot breaks the plane. Not always easy to tell if the foot broke the plane before the ball got to the basket or board. So I figure don't blow the whistle unless the shooter is CLEARLY in violation.

But another question/violation that I see called inconsistently: if a players has any part of their foot touching the "black" of a lane marking (or the shooting stripe), is it a violation? Or do they need to be touching on the "other" side for it to be a violation?

My understanding of the rule is the lane includes all markings (other than the lines between the spaces), similar to an out-of-bounds line. Therefore, touch the lane marking and it is a violation. But I've worked with a number of partners who see the shooter and players as being "out-of-bounds" so to speak, and must cross the lane marking for a violation.

Comments?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Another violation I see at the younger levels a bit is the one where their body is leaning into the lane after they release and eventually their foot breaks the plane. Not always easy to tell if the foot broke the plane before the ball got to the basket or board. So I figure don't blow the whistle unless the shooter is CLEARLY in violation.

But another question/violation that I see called inconsistently: if a players has any part of their foot touching the "black" of a lane marking (or the shooting stripe), is it a violation? Or do they need to be touching on the "other" side for it to be a violation?

My understanding of the rule is the lane includes all markings (other than the lines between the spaces), similar to an out-of-bounds line. Therefore, touch the lane marking and it is a violation. But I've worked with a number of partners who see the shooter and players as being "out-of-bounds" so to speak, and must cross the lane marking for a violation.

Comments?

Your partners' analogy to being OOB is incorrect.

1-5-1

"... All lines designating the free-throw lane, but not lane-space marks and neutral-zone marks, are part of the lane."