When does trail assume sideline responsibilities on a transition?

[ronny mulkey]

Rut,

So, on a throw-in, as soon as you hand the ball to the thrower?

[Nevadaref]

The new Lead will still have that part of the sideline which is in front of him as he moves down the court. The Trail will not have a great look at such a play, so it makes sense for the Lead to take the call. The Trail has everything that is behind the new Lead.

The new Trail assumes this responsibility as soon as possession changes and heads the other way or the ball becomes dead and a throw-in for the team going the other way will ensue.

Of course, there certainly are times when the new Lead should be ready to help with a sideline call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

So, on a throw-in, as soon as you hand the ball to the thrower?

Yes.

If the Lead is doing their job or on the other end of the court who else is going to watch the sideline?

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes.

If the Lead is doing their job or on the other end of the court who else is going to watch the sideline?

Peace

Visualize this throw-in: Trail on endline and all 10 players are in backcourt. Thow-in goes out on sideline 3' from lead and in front of table.

Or, A1 rebounds in the middle of lane and fires a bullet outlet that goes out on sideline at free throw line extended.
Or, B1 grabbed this same rebound and fired this same pass in the very same place. The play is the same except for who fired it out of bounds. Are the officials going to be that quick in "determining sideline responsibility".

What does that verbage mean?

Mulk

[JRutledge]

You are looking for a book answer or one size fits all answer to a very fluid situation.

If the play happens in front of the lead and he or she is on top of the play, then just like anything they should call what they see.

I think the problem is you are looking for a one or the other to make a call. The primary (especially in the back court) is the Trial's responsibility. But if the Lead has to help out, they can make a call. But if the Lead is not in position or on the other end of the court, then the Trail has to take responsibility for the play.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are looking for a book answer or one size fits all answer to a very fluid situation.

If the play happens in front of the lead and he or she is on top of the play, then just like anything they should call what they see.

I think the problem is you are looking for a one or the other to make a call. The primary (especially in the back court) is the Trial's responsibility. But if the Lead has to help out, they can make a call. But if the Lead is not in position or on the other end of the court, then the Trail has to take responsibility for the play.

Peace

Rut,

I was with a college guy the other night and we had this play and we both had whistles. We had the same call. After the game, we had a spirited discussion and it was obvious that he did not like me putting a whistle on "his" line. I know college guys are like that much more so than high school guys (me).

This play got me looking for the exact moment that the new trail would assume sideline responsibility. You may be right that there is no one exact moment on every play.

Anyway, Nobody wants to address my question: What does the verbage mean? "after determining sideline responsibility"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Rut,

I was with a college guy the other night and we had this play and we both had whistles. We had the same call. After the game, we had a spirited discussion and it was obvious that he did not like me putting a whistle on "his" line. I know college guys are like that much more so than high school guys (me).

This play got me looking for the exact moment that the new trail would assume sideline responsibility. You may be right that there is no one exact moment on every play.

Anyway, Nobody wants to address my question: What does the verbage mean? "after determining sideline responsibility"

I am not worried about verbiage. I am telling you how to deal with the play. I can just tell you that at the college camps I attended, these plays are about working together and I have never had my feet held to the fire over who makes a call on a play like this. Just know the Trail is responsible until they need help. You should assume the lead is watching other things and if the play is right in front of them, just delay a signal and get the play right. For one if the ball is thrown in front of them, the new lead probably does not for sure in many cases if the ball was tipped or how the ball got there. Work together that is what we do anyway.

Peace