What Would You Do?

[stosh]

I had a JV Boys game with an interesting situation related to this. The scoreboard keeper buzzes me over and tells me that number H23 who I just called a foul on is not in the "book" as 23 but is in there as 5. I go to the home book, and it is apparent that the 5 has been changed from a 5 to a 23, but it is in there as 23. So I tell everyone at the table that we are okay and lets continue. The visiting coach demands (respectfully) an explanation and tells me "his scorekeeper" (who was the one that informed the board operator to buzz me) saw the other scorekeeper change it as I went over. I basically told him that since I didn't see it happen, I had to assume it was changed prior to me signing the book. He wanted to know how come we don't verify each player to the number in the book prior to the game? I told him that it would be too time consuming and that players often perform warm-ups with shooting shirts on so we don't see every number. He gave up and let it go.

Does anyone check numbers on players to match the book before a game?

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by stosh

I had a JV Boys game with an interesting situation related to this. The scoreboard keeper buzzes me over and tells me that number H23 who I just called a foul on is not in the "book" as 23 but is in there as 5. I go to the home book, and it is apparent that the 5 has been changed from a 5 to a 23, but it is in there as 23. So I tell everyone at the table that we are okay and lets continue. The visiting coach demands (respectfully) an explanation and tells me "his scorekeeper" (who was the one that informed the board operator to buzz me) saw the other scorekeeper change it as I went over. I basically told him that since I didn't see it happen, I had to assume it was changed prior to me signing the book. He wanted to know how come we don't verify each player to the number in the book prior to the game? I told him that it would be too time consuming and that players often perform warm-ups with shooting shirts on so we don't see every number. He gave up and let it go.

Does anyone check numbers on players to match the book before a game?

I am confused...you called the foul on 23, but there is no 23 or is there? Or are you saying since 2+3=5 you are good to go? Nobody I know checks numbers to the book, just total number of players...you're right they usually have warmups on and you can't read the numbers anyhow...

[deecee]

When I coached boys freshman my opponent coach was given a horrible T. I simply instructed my player to miss both shots. The parents and team were not happy but I explained to them after the game that honor and dignity in participating in sports matters to me more than winning and losing. Some still didnt get it but oh well.

Originally Posted by deecee

When I coached boys freshman my opponent coach was given a horrible T. I simply instructed my player to miss both shots. The parents and team were not happy but I explained to them after the game that honor and dignity in participating in sports matters to me more than winning and losing. Some still didnt get it but oh well.

Not shocked, especially it being the freshman level. These kids are LeBron James wannabes and their parents are seeing the dollar signs.

[Brad]

I should be surprised that I am the only one that agrees with what BBall_Junkie actually did -- say "ok" and put the ball back in play.

I don't agree that no one is going to be happy -- the visiting coach doesn't want the T, so he will be happy ... the home coach has said that he wants to win on merits and doesn't want the T, so he will be happy ... and if the coaches are happy, I'm happy (if I'm working the game).

Have to say that when I heard this story my respect for the coach went up!

I'll leave this to the rest of you rules nits to debate

[johnnyrao]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I am confused...you called the foul on 23, but there is no 23 or is there? Or are you saying since 2+3=5 you are good to go? Nobody I know checks numbers to the book, just total number of players...you're right they usually have warmups on and you can't read the numbers anyhow...

I think what he is saying is that the visiting book keeper pointed out the error. When the clock operator called the R over the Home book keeper saw what was happening and changed the #, so when the R got to the book it was correct. However, it had been wrong. I know I never check #s against jerseys so I guess I'm fortunate this has never happened to me.

[johnnyrao]

"Coach, I get your intent, but we have no choice on this but to assess the technical foul".

[Raymond]

I assess the 'T' and move on. If you don't assess the 'T' then when that coach makes the same mistake with the book in another game he'll be looking for the 'T' to be overlooked.

[muxbule]

Originally Posted by stosh

and it is apparent that the 5 has been changed from a 5 to a 23, but it is in there as 23.

Even though your hands were tied at the time you certainly reported this to game management after the game I hope. This guy/gal has no business working the table.