Com-pre-hen-sion

[deecee]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

While on the uniform topic, I wish the NF, if they want to continue to make us the uniform police, would give us the tools to enforce it...you have to love the situation where the first time you see player undershirts (since they have had warmups on) is when they come out for the jump ball. Then you're sending a starter back to the locker room right before the jump ball b/c he has frayed edges on his undershirt sleeves. Rather than starting the game looking like an OOO, why not do something rule-wise like force all players to remove warm-up tops with 3 minutes left in warm-ups? That way if you have an issue you can fix it before the game starts. You would see a HUGE increase in compliance I am guessing....if they wanted to stop making us the uniform police that would be fine with me too...

This isnt really that big of an issue -- especially at the varsity level.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by deecee

This isnt really that big of an issue -- especially at the varsity level.

Isn't an issue b/c players comply on their own or b/c officials are enforcing it 100%? And when I say 100% I mean no frayed edges on shirts, no visible undershirts (including side panels) that are different color, etc...b/c if you get 100% compliance from players on their own then I want to work where you work...a few weeks ago there was a picture in the paper at one of the biggest xmas tournaments in the state, kid was going up for a shot with his white jersey and BRIGHT RED understhirt on...

Originally Posted by slow whistle

a few weeks ago there was a picture in the paper at one of the biggest xmas tournaments in the state, kid was going up for a shot with his white jersey and BRIGHT RED understhirt on...

Well it was a XMas tourney wasn't it

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Well it was a XMas tourney wasn't it

Yeah but that wasn't Santa Claus!

[deecee]

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing. This has never come up and in some cases the reality is, whethere anyone wants to admit it or not, is that there are certain things that are, unfortunatley acceptable, to not make a big deal over if you want to advance. This, in my experience, is one of them.

Whether you enforce or not will have very little bearing on anything, except that you are supported by the rules. Do I? yes. Do I care if an edge might be frayed a bit here or there? No. I have seen the white shirt under many different color jerseys in other "big" games. Do you really think anyone besides some people here notice or care? I dont think so, because those same officials keep getting the "big" games over and over.

[dbking]

I am with DEECEE, don't pick the fly crap out of the pepper. Call a good game and you will be rewarded.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by deecee

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing. This has never come up and in some cases the reality is, whethere anyone wants to admit it or not, is that there are certain things that are, unfortunatley acceptable, to not make a big deal over if you want to advance. This, in my experience, is one of them.

Whether you enforce or not will have very little bearing on anything, except that you are supported by the rules. Do I? yes. Do I care if an edge might be frayed a bit here or there? No. I have seen the white shirt under many different color jerseys in other "big" games. Do you really think anyone besides some people here notice or care? I dont think so, because those same officials keep getting the "big" games over and over.

Agree with you completely...just not a big fan of rules that are put in with a "*wink* *wink* don't really enforce that one"...that's why I said I wish they would either stop making us uniform police or give us the tools to deal with it...either would be fine with me...in the mean time I will continue to vent my frustrations on chat boards and dark, not smokey (in IL) bars after games.

[cardinalfan]

I think if one of my partners made a big deal out of navy/royal undershirts in a JV game, I'd be a nervous wreck each time he blew his whistle all night.

[Overnbach]

Twice this year I have seen male officials tell high school varsity girls that they had to do something about exposed bra straps that were not a color similar to the jersey. First time was when a girl went to the sideline to throw a ball in from out of bounds....although his comments were discrete, her reaction, adjusting her straps, and his patience in putting the ball into play, made the point of his comments quite apparent to all. The other time the enforcement came before player introductions, and was handled discretely, but the girl hadn't returned from the locker room in time to be introduced as one of the starting five.

Seems to me that men questioning girls' undergarments can lead to some real problems. Do others of you do this as well?

[Nevadaref]

In previous years the requirements regarding undergarments and other apparel were individual. 3.5.5 in the current Case Book testifies to this.

However, in the past couple of seasons the NFHS has been moving in the direction of team uniformity as evidenced by the new rules about headbands and wristbands having to be the same color for all participants from a team.

[derwil]

Originally Posted by Overnbach

Twice this year I have seen male officials tell high school varsity girls that they had to do something about exposed bra straps that were not a color similar to the jersey. First time was when a girl went to the sideline to throw a ball in from out of bounds....although his comments were discrete, her reaction, adjusting her straps, and his patience in putting the ball into play, made the point of his comments quite apparent to all. The other time the enforcement came before player introductions, and was handled discretely, but the girl hadn't returned from the locker room in time to be introduced as one of the starting five.

Seems to me that men questioning girls' undergarments can lead to some real problems. Do others of you do this as well?

In Alabama, the bras are considered personel gear and are handled......err treated like shoes and socks. Sometimes the ladies will wear non-conforming undershirts which have to be removed but I'm not asking a 16 yr old to do anything with her undergarments.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Overnbach

Twice this year I have seen male officials tell high school varsity girls that they had to do something about exposed bra straps that were not a color similar to the jersey.

Your partner was clearly wrong. The rule that the brassiere shall be a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey applies only to boys games. See NFHS 11-2-3-C.

I would encourage your partner to observe other things during the warmups in a girls game. I would think that jewelry, and undershirts, would suffice (I've been reading way too many of mbyron posts lately)?

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by deecee

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing.

Sounds kinda strict to me. So if one guy has beltless pants and the other guy's wearing a belt, you get dinged?