Com-pre-hen-sion

Juulie Downs · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

but is the undershirt requirement for a team or a player -- as in single solid color PER shirt or PER team?

I've always thought that meant per shirt, and that similar to the jersey leaves some room for a small amount of variation. In the dark blue category, there's probably even more room, because of the various ways the light can affect the dyes. I sure wouldn't pick this particular nit at the JV level, although I might at varsity, depending on how far apart the blues were.

slow whistle · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:35pm

While on the uniform topic, I wish the NF, if they want to continue to make us the uniform police, would give us the tools to enforce it...you have to love the situation where the first time you see player undershirts (since they have had warmups on) is when they come out for the jump ball. Then you're sending a starter back to the locker room right before the jump ball b/c he has frayed edges on his undershirt sleeves. Rather than starting the game looking like an OOO, why not do something rule-wise like force all players to remove warm-up tops with 3 minutes left in warm-ups? That way if you have an issue you can fix it before the game starts. You would see a HUGE increase in compliance I am guessing....if they wanted to stop making us the uniform police that would be fine with me too...

deecee · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by slow whistle

While on the uniform topic, I wish the NF, if they want to continue to make us the uniform police, would give us the tools to enforce it...you have to love the situation where the first time you see player undershirts (since they have had warmups on) is when they come out for the jump ball. Then you're sending a starter back to the locker room right before the jump ball b/c he has frayed edges on his undershirt sleeves. Rather than starting the game looking like an OOO, why not do something rule-wise like force all players to remove warm-up tops with 3 minutes left in warm-ups? That way if you have an issue you can fix it before the game starts. You would see a HUGE increase in compliance I am guessing....if they wanted to stop making us the uniform police that would be fine with me too...

This isnt really that big of an issue -- especially at the varsity level.

slow whistle · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

This isnt really that big of an issue -- especially at the varsity level.

Isn't an issue b/c players comply on their own or b/c officials are enforcing it 100%? And when I say 100% I mean no frayed edges on shirts, no visible undershirts (including side panels) that are different color, etc...b/c if you get 100% compliance from players on their own then I want to work where you work...a few weeks ago there was a picture in the paper at one of the biggest xmas tournaments in the state, kid was going up for a shot with his white jersey and BRIGHT RED understhirt on...

#5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by slow whistle

a few weeks ago there was a picture in the paper at one of the biggest xmas tournaments in the state, kid was going up for a shot with his white jersey and BRIGHT RED understhirt on...

Well it was a XMas tourney wasn't it

slow whistle · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by Ch1town

Well it was a XMas tourney wasn't it

Yeah but that wasn't Santa Claus!

deecee · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:09pm

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing. This has never come up and in some cases the reality is, whethere anyone wants to admit it or not, is that there are certain things that are, unfortunatley acceptable, to not make a big deal over if you want to advance. This, in my experience, is one of them.

Whether you enforce or not will have very little bearing on anything, except that you are supported by the rules. Do I? yes. Do I care if an edge might be frayed a bit here or there? No. I have seen the white shirt under many different color jerseys in other "big" games. Do you really think anyone besides some people here notice or care? I dont think so, because those same officials keep getting the "big" games over and over.

dbking · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:15pm

I am with DEECEE, don't pick the fly crap out of the pepper. Call a good game and you will be rewarded.

slow whistle · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:17pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing. This has never come up and in some cases the reality is, whethere anyone wants to admit it or not, is that there are certain things that are, unfortunatley acceptable, to not make a big deal over if you want to advance. This, in my experience, is one of them.

Whether you enforce or not will have very little bearing on anything, except that you are supported by the rules. Do I? yes. Do I care if an edge might be frayed a bit here or there? No. I have seen the white shirt under many different color jerseys in other "big" games. Do you really think anyone besides some people here notice or care? I dont think so, because those same officials keep getting the "big" games over and over.

Agree with you completely...just not a big fan of rules that are put in with a "*wink* *wink* don't really enforce that one"...that's why I said I wish they would either stop making us uniform police or give us the tools to deal with it...either would be fine with me...in the mean time I will continue to vent my frustrations on chat boards and dark, not smokey (in IL) bars after games.

cardinalfan · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 03:37pm

I think if one of my partners made a big deal out of navy/royal undershirts in a JV game, I'd be a nervous wreck each time he blew his whistle all night.

DonInKansas · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 11, 2009, 08:59am

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Originally Posted by deecee

Slow whistle from my experience I get knocked in my evaluations because me and my partner dont have the same type of pants or my black shoes are not what everyone else is wearing.

Sounds kinda strict to me. So if one guy has beltless pants and the other guy's wearing a belt, you get dinged?

referee99 · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:37pm

I don't see how you are going to tell the kid wearing royal blue that his tee-shirt is illegal. Justification? Is his shirt not a "single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey"? If so, then it is legal.

#13 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2009, 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

I've always thought that meant per shirt, and that similar to the jersey leaves some room for a small amount of variation. In the dark blue category, there's probably even more room, because of the various ways the light can affect the dyes. I sure wouldn't pick this particular nit at the JV level, although I might at varsity, depending on how far apart the blues were.

Nice points, I think the good official treats this like a violation/foul that he/she didn't get a good look at.
If you can't clearly tell, then it didn't happen.

Or when you're watching tape & have to rewind it several times to justify your call, probably should've been a no call then.

JMO but if they're wearing blue jerseys & the t-shirt isn't black or green, then it's blue...