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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 11:50am
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Collision with the Coach

I was hoping to get some advise on how you would handle this situation.

Team A has rebounded a missed shot by team B. Team A moves quickly toward the front court, and I am the new trail (two man mechanics), running along the table side. I am looking over my shoulder when I crash into the coach. She is at least two steps on the court when this occurs, and I fall down, but I am not injured, so what violation do I have here in your opinion? I issued a Technical foul for standing on the court. I thought a Flagrant Technical would be too harsh because it was early in the first quarter, so she had not been observed standing in the playing area.
Do you think I made the correct call?

Thank you for your help!
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 11:58am
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Good call.

Flagrant technical is too much even if it wasn't the first quarter.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:00pm
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Handled perfectly IMO, you don't want to go flagrant here - the fact that you collided with the coach doesn't make it any more/less flagrant to me...just a bit more painful
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:03pm
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I am looking over my shoulder when I crash into the coach. She is at least two steps on the court when this occurs,
Depending on how cute she is, you may want to do this a few more times.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:05pm
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Out of the box & caused you to hit the deck = a good T

But the more important questions are:
1. As T why are you looking over your shoulder?
2. Was coach a cutie?
3. Did you take her down with you?
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:13pm
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Out of the box & caused you to hit the deck = a good T

But the more important questions are:
1. As T why are you looking over your shoulder?
2. Was coach a cutie?
3. Did you take her down with you?
4. Did you get her number?
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:19pm
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1. As T why are you looking over your shoulder?
Are you Tim Higgins?

I run into a coach on the court, it's a T. In football, it's a 15 yard flag. I know there are few absolutes, but this is pretty close to one.

I could see this happening to the lead more frequently, though. My biggest pet peeve is the coach who won't give me a few inches on the sideline when I go from C to C tableside. He knows I'm there and I have to work around him cause I want to be a step off the court and he's legally in his box off the court.

Of course there's the occasional coach who walks in front of you when you're a step off the court that's even more annoying...
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:25pm
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Let me ask you something. Is the step off the court at slot only when the ball is right in front of you?

I only ask because I've been getting mixed responses when evaluated at the slot. Some like us on the court unless the ball comes right in front of you, others don't care as long as you get the angle to make a CC.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:31pm
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Let me ask you something. Is the step off the court at slot only when the ball is right in front of you?

I only ask because I've been getting mixed responses when evaluated at the slot. Some like us on the court unless the ball comes right in front of you, others don't care as long as you get the angle to make a CC.
Like most obersvations this all stems from personal preference -- I wish observers would recommend things they *like* to do, rather than speak as through its the way that should be done. In the end our job is to officiate the game. No matter where you are on the court you will find yourself in positions that suck from time to time and its easy to say well if you were 1 step higher or lower or even on the court you would have a better angle.

I once had an observer who is almost a foot shorter than me tell me that this angle is the best and that I should always be in this position to be able to officiate certain plays. No offense but my extra foot in height affords me the luxury of being able to work the court differently than this guy. Where he sees pecks and shoulders I see top of heads.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:36pm
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I hear you, just wish those evaluators could give you some feedback at halftime. That way they can see you make adjustments in the 2nd half & it gives them the "he's coachable" perception.
Getting it after the game is cool, but they probably aren't going to come see you work the next game.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:37pm
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I hear you, just wish those evaluators could give you some feedback at halftime. That way they can see you make adjustments in the 2nd half & it gives them the "he's coachable" perception.
Getting it after the game is cool, but they probably aren't going to come see you work the next game.
I got half-time feedback from my evaluations.

ROTATE!

After the game, she mentioned that she'd noticed I was doing a much better job of rotating.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:41pm
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I got half-time feedback from my evaluations.

ROTATE!

After the game, she mentioned that she'd noticed I was doing a much better job of rotating.
Camp or real game? In my area, during the season they kind of sneak in & lay low until after the game. Then you see them creeping out the wood work with a pad & pen

My veteran partners always seem to spot them though.

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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:49pm
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Team A moves quickly toward the front court, and I am the new trail (two man mechanics), running along the table side. I am looking over my shoulder when I crash into the coach.
Sounds like a good call to me.
I'm curious though, why you were looking over your shoulder as trail...
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 12:50pm
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We have to request they come (which is why it helps we can see who the varsity refs are after our jv games) and evaluate us. I'm trying to get used to the system, though. They really didn't do official evaluations over on the WS.
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2009, 01:01pm
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Sounds like a good call to me.
I'm curious though, why you were looking over your shoulder as trail...
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