Questionable T?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

but I always make sure I can justify them, usually, .

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a sitch like yours, I like to enlist the coach's help. After the half, I might have spoken to her coach: "Coach, #10 has been rough and has shown some attitude out there. I know we both want to keep her in the game."

This isn't exactly a warning, but rather information about what you've observed. And if you end up giving her a T, it will be no surprise to the coach.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Good stuff! I had a similar situation with a mouthy knucklehead. After reporting a foul, I asked the coach to help me out with #44 (knucklehead) as he was too mouthy & should focus on playing ball as opposed to officiating. He pulled the player out of the game immediately, got in his face & sent him to the back to the table.
Needless to say, when I had to take care of business (about 3 minutes later) coach already knew the deal.

I tried...

Could have used this advice/tactic....and I will in the future.

8th Grade Girls game. V down by 30 or so. Really a route. One of the only V Girls with any skills is getting frustrated - and it shows. I had the opportunity to talk to her during an inbounds play and as I handed her the ball I told her she needed to relax and play the game as she was getting a little "out of control." I then handed her the ball and off we go.

A few minutes later there's a scrum on the floor for a loose ball and she is fighting for it. TWEET! Now, I normally go toward the action (as I've been taught) and say something like, "easy, easy," trying to let them know we're here and the play is over. She keeps fighting for the ball and wrestling and swinging (I didn't call a foul). TWEET! I yelled, "ENOUGH!

Well, apparently, I hurt this Girls feelings. At the next break, the coach told me this young lady was on the bench crying and I shouldn't have raised my voice to her. I explained to the coach what happened previosuly about my warning and she said ok, she wasn't aware of that and asked me to inform her of this type of situation in the future. My partner, whom I worked with many times before agreed with the coach and said I was a bit over the top - I just didn't want it to go any further.

While there was no real opportunity to do so in my case (IMO), it's a good point and lesson learned for me - use the coach.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Could have used this advice/tactic....and I will in the future.

8th Grade Girls game. V down by 30 or so. Really a route. One of the only V Girls with any skills is getting frustrated - and it shows. I had the opportunity to talk to her during an inbounds play and as I handed her the ball I told her she needed to relax and play the game as she was getting a little "out of control." I then handed her the ball and off we go.

A few minutes later there's a scrum on the floor for a loose ball and she is fighting for it. TWEET! Now, I normally go toward the action (as I've been taught) and say something like, "easy, easy," trying to let them know we're here and the play is over. She keeps fighting for the ball and wrestling and swinging (I didn't call a foul). TWEET! I yelled, "ENOUGH!

Well, apparently, I hurt this Girls feelings. At the next break, the coach told me this young lady was on the bench crying and I shouldn't have raised my voice to her. I explained to the coach what happened previosuly about my warning and she said ok, she wasn't aware of that and asked me to inform her of this type of situation in the future. My partner, whom I worked with many times before agreed with the coach and said I was a bit over the top - I just didn't want it to go any further.

While there was no real opportunity to do so in my case (IMO), it's a good point and lesson learned for me - use the coach.

grunewar:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Sometimes you have to put some extra pizazz in your voice.

About six years ago in a USSSA Girls' 12U Fast Pitch Tournament the pitcher for the the really good team liked to quick pitch after every foul ball. After the umpteenth time of calling no pitch her coach got upset with me (why am I always the bad guy, ) and finally went out to "calm' her down. As he was returning to the dugout he yelled to me: "Look what you did, you made her cry you jerk!" She was indeed crying but the coach did not stop in the dugout and did not collect $200 as he continued on to the parking lot, .

Second storying about crying. Daryl and I were officiating the Michigan AAU Girls' 18U Tournament (qualifier to the national) about ten years ago. I called a foul on a girl and she turned to me and used a very unlady like word, which earned her a TF for unsportsmanlike conduct. The TF was her fifth foul; when I informed her that she had fouled out, she started crying.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

I had no idea you were so heartless, MTD.

[Nevadaref]

You big meanie!!!

[dbking]

Just my $.02!

Game management tools are very necessary in officiating. Use all tools required. You should have had a coaches and captains meeting.

If you did not hear the words completely and grandma could not hear them in the first row,

Talk to the player, "#10 I need your help in this situation, I heard parts of words and I am not going to fill in the blanks. Your the teams best player and they need your help."

Talk to the captain that is on the floor, "Captain, I need your help. #10 is out of control and I do not want to hear anything that comes close to taunting!"

Talk to the coach, "Coach, I need your help with #10. I did not hear all of the words but I am sure that she was out of line. Thanks, coach."

There will be no questions when you T her later for a similar act.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dbking

Just my $.02!

Game management tools are very necessary in officiating. Use all tools required. You should have had a coaches and captains meeting.

If you did not hear the words completely and grandma could not hear them in the first row,

Talk to the player, "#10 I need your help in this situation, I heard parts of words and I am not going to fill in the blanks. Your the teams best player and they need your help."

Talk to the captain that is on the floor, "Captain, I need your help. #10 is out of control and I do not want to hear anything that comes close to taunting!"

Talk to the coach, "Coach, I need your help with #10. I did not hear all of the words but I am sure that she was out of line. Thanks, coach."

There will be no questions when you T her later for a similar act.

1. I think your grandma criterion is a poor standard to use.
It doesn't matter what anyone in the crowd or on the bench can or cannot hear. What is important is what the players say and do and what the official on the court hears and observes.

2. If you are sure that the player was out of line, then that needs to be penalized with a technical foul, for sure.

3. Why would you advocate not assessing a penalty for the first act, but waiting for a similar act later in the game? What if you don't fully hear the words again the second time? What makes your handling of the situation different? I believe that similar situations need to be handled as similarly as possible.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You big meanie!!!

Snaqs and Nevada:

MTD, Jr., had a boys' JrHS doubleheader today at a school about 12 miles from Ohio Northern Univ. in Ada, Ohio (which is about 75 mi from Toledo); he was officiating with a verteran official who is a freind of mine. I originally I was not scheduled to officiate today, but last week I picked up a boys' JrHS doubleheader at Ada JrHS from a friend down there who needed a replacement; I took the game because it would give me a chance to have Jr. buy is old man dinner after our games, .

Without going into details I arrived at Ada JrHS to find that the game had been canceled and the officials were never notified. So I hustled over to Mark's game and made it there by halftime of the 7th grade game.

In the third quater Mark called a foul on H33. I did not notice it until he called the foul was the H33 was player with an artifical leg. He was getting up and down the court pretty good. After the game I told Mark that I didn't realize the H33 had an artificial leg until he called a foul on him, to which his parther replied: "What a meanie!"

Like father like son, .

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I did not notice it until he called the foul was the H33 was player with an artificial leg. He was getting up and down the court pretty good.

I had a player with an artificial leg last season. He could do everything else that the other players could do, except stop, and start, on a dime. It took him a few strides to get up to speed, and a few steps to slow down.