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Old Wed Dec 17, 2008, 09:15am
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...with no wiggle room?

Had a Boys Varsity jamboree the other night. Before the game, and during warm-ups...my partner waved a player over. He informed the player that his "bracelet" (It was kind of a neat looking brown, weaved cloth or leather looking thing...about 2 inches wide...that had a MEDICAL ALERT bracelet attacted on top of it.)

This probably looked "cool" for walking around the mall...but, not for a basketball game.

Anyway, the mother came down on the court...as my partner was talking to the player...asking if there was a problem.

My partner explained to her he would have to get the bracelet taped...or he couldn't play. Immediately, the AD of the home school was there to escort the mother off the court. ( Great job by the AD IMO.)

The mother was adamant that he needed that bracelet because of his medical condition.

My partner told her he could wear the funky looking bracelet...but, it would have to be taped.

Also...what if the tape is white (as usual athletic tape is) and the other players are wearing black wristbands?

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Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)
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Old Wed Dec 17, 2008, 10:19am
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Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)
Kinda harsh there...It's before the game and the child has a medical condition requiring a bracelet and the parent sees some discussion about the bracelet--I don't blame them for being alarmed. I would politely asked them to leave the court and address their concerns through the coach.

Would you kick out a parent who runs on the court when there child has suffered a major injury?
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Old Wed Dec 17, 2008, 04:37pm
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Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)
Wow. Completely absurd imo. I would like to think that we can excercise better people skills than to throw a parent for this. Like a poster said... mom noticed some concern over her kid's medical bracelet and wanted to know what was going on.... easily addressed and we don't have to look like complete a-holes. How much smoother do you think the game will go if we present ourselves as humans and not power mongers on an ego trip?
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 08:32am
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This might seem like it has an obvious answer, but if it does the answer has so far eluded me. Sorry for the length...

Working the 5th game of a 5 game set today at a 6 court facility. "Home" team is more physical than the other, puts "Visiting" team in bonus rather quickly after the second half begins. Home player picks up his fourth foul and during time out the player's mom comes on the court and tries to ask us what exactly her son is doing to be called for fouls. I'm ready to whack her with a T right there, but my partner waves me up and simply says to her, "He pushes, now get back in the stands."

Mom returns to the stands and then proceeds, with her husband, to rain abuse down on my partner and I the rest of the game. They are not being profane or getting personal in any way and my partner advises me to ignore them, which I do. Now here's where it gets interesting...
In Ontario we have a Fair Play Policy. She came onto the court? Buh-bye.

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Being a multi-court facility, there are no locker rooms for us to escape to or leave our gear in. We have no choice but to run to the table, sign the score sheet, grab our gear and get the heck out of dodge. Unfortunately, we are not quite fast enough and the Dad catches us. He starts getting louder and louder as we walk away from him. We realize we're not going to make it to the door without this getting worse, so we make a beeline towards the nearest cluster of officials we see. Before we make it there, the Dad grabs my partner by the arm and attempts to pull him around and make my partner face him.
"Sir, do I need to phone the police?"

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Thankfully one of the officials we were heading to saw what was happening and got in between them. To make a long story short, our Supervisor wants my partner to press charges, etc.

My question is what do you do in a situation like that? Is there anything you can do?

Granted, I should have not have let the parents go on as they did during the game and in that sense I probably should not have acceded to my partner as much as I did, but you live and learn.
Yes, I would seriously consider pressing charges.

The only thing I think you can do is to try to avoid being confronted. It sounds as though you did that in the crowded venue. If talk is civil, then I might end up talking to the guy, but otherwise, I'm ignoring him and going right past him too.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 08:52am
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...and during time out the player's mom comes on the court and tries to ask us what exactly her son is doing to be called for fouls. I'm ready to whack her with a T right there, but my partner waves me up and simply says to her, "He pushes, now get back in the stands."...
Here's where my story would end. Game would not proceed until I talk to site admin about the fan. What admin does after that is up to them.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 12:23pm
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What would you do in a high school game?

What would you do in a game governed by High School Rules?

Why would you do any less here?

You are on the court, you are out of the facility! period end of conversation, You can go peacefully or with assistance of Law.
And the kids will have to pay for your actions here with a Whack also.
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After taking a night and sleeping on this, I realized all this could have been avoided had I not deferred to my partner so much. I should have gone with my first instinct and either whacked her with a T or had her removed. A day removed from this, I'm amazed I didn't do that in the first place.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 12:39pm
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After taking a night and sleeping on this, I realized all this could have been avoided had I not deferred to my partner so much. I should have gone with my first instinct and either whacked her with a T or had her removed. A day removed from this, I'm amazed I didn't do that in the first place.
Lesson learned. I wouldn't give her a T, though. Just have her removed.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 03:32pm
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A large youth league (4th-8th grade travel teams) this year put in place a very strict policy regarding sportsmanship. It makes the head coach responsible for the conduct of spectators. Officials can have the coach remove the parents. If they don't, game is over. Additionally, there are provisions for further sanctions upon review by league officials and the referee coordinator.

It is too bad that this is necessary, but the clear language gives officials an unambiguous road map to deal with parents and other spectators in gyms where "game management" may be the biggest offender.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 03:38pm
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Fan on the court? Fan leaves. Game doesn't start until fan leaves. If fan doesn't leave and team identity is clear: forfeit.

I had a Dad in the top row during a CYO tournament championship get very abusive at my partner. I just walked to the bottom of the stands and pointed to the door. He refused. I walked to the table and in a loud voice said, "Put :30 seconds on the clock and if he is still here when the horn sounds the game is over!" and then walked away. The other parents almost bodily threw him out since their team was winning at the time.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 03:43pm
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A large youth league (4th-8th grade travel teams) this year put in place a very strict policy regarding sportsmanship. It makes the head coach responsible for the conduct of spectators. Officials can have the coach remove the parents. If they don't, game is over. Additionally, there are provisions for further sanctions upon review by league officials and the referee coordinator.
We've had this rule in our local kids rec league pretty much ever since it started over 30 years ago. We have the coach tell the parent that not only is the game over if they don't leave, but each player's parent will be told that it is their fault the kids can't play any more basketball today. That's a pretty effective last resort. In my 20+ years with this league, I've never had a parent refuse to leave when asked. All things considered, we don't have too much of a parent problem overall.
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Old Mon Dec 15, 2008, 12:28pm
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Before we make it there, the Dad grabs my partner by the arm and attempts to pull him around and make my partner face him.
In Oregon, this is a class A misdemeanor and will be prosecuted by the district attorneys office and can result in a fine and/or jail time. Also, in our state, if you direct a fan (or anyone else) to leave the premises and they refuse, they are considered trespassing and you can call the police to have them arrested. These are relatively new laws in our state and I carry copies of them in my gym bag.
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Old Tue Dec 16, 2008, 10:49pm
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Before we make it there, the Dad grabs my partner by the arm and attempts to pull him around....

My question is what do you do in a situation like that? Is there anything you can do?
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Old Wed Dec 17, 2008, 03:40am
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Somehow I don't think that would have helped, not to mention the size difference.

Dad was about 6' 4" and I'm 5' 10". Not a good size differential.
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