Incident With Fan

[deecee]

Originally Posted by refnrev

YOU did not foful anyone out. The player comitted five fouls. Never forget that!!!!!

Had a BV game last week where the visiting teams best player fouled out (I called the 5th foul) with about 5 minutes left in the 4th. Coach asked me how I could have fouled out his best player. I responded with "Coach, we have called 7 fouls on your team this whole game -- 5 are his. I think he tried his best to get out of this one." Once he realized that was the case he sat down and I didnt hear from him the rest of the game. Especially since they were down by 15 when star player fouls out and end up pulling to within 2 with under 30 seconds to go. Lost the game of free throws in the end of course.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

And don't feel guilty should you forfeit the game.

I would clear the gym before I would forfeit the game.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My earlier post was obviously in jest. However, this comment is serious.

ANYONE WHO STEPS ONTO THE PLAYING COURT WITHOUT PROPER AUTHORIZATION IS AUTOMATICALLY EJECTED FROM THE PREMISES.

...with no wiggle room?

Had a Boys Varsity jamboree the other night. Before the game, and during warm-ups...my partner waved a player over. He informed the player that his "bracelet" (It was kind of a neat looking brown, weaved cloth or leather looking thing...about 2 inches wide...that had a MEDICAL ALERT bracelet attacted on top of it.)

This probably looked "cool" for walking around the mall...but, not for a basketball game.

Anyway, the mother came down on the court...as my partner was talking to the player...asking if there was a problem.

My partner explained to her he would have to get the bracelet taped...or he couldn't play. Immediately, the AD of the home school was there to escort the mother off the court. ( Great job by the AD IMO.)

The mother was adamant that he needed that bracelet because of his medical condition.

My partner told her he could wear the funky looking bracelet...but, it would have to be taped.

Also...what if the tape is white (as usual athletic tape is) and the other players are wearing black wristbands?

Comments?

[Oz Referee]

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288

Before we make it there, the Dad grabs my partner by the arm and attempts to pull him around....

My question is what do you do in a situation like that? Is there anything you can do?

Deck the guy

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Also...what if the tape is white (as usual athletic tape is) and the other players are wearing black wristbands?

Comments?

Two different rules. A taped medical alert bracelet is not a wristband. No color restrictions on the tape.

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by Oz Referee

Deck the guy

Somehow I don't think that would have helped, not to mention the size difference.

Dad was about 6' 4" and I'm 5' 10". Not a good size differential.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...with no wiggle room?

Had a Boys Varsity jamboree the other night. Before the game, and during warm-ups...my partner waved a player over. He informed the player that his "bracelet" (It was kind of a neat looking brown, weaved cloth or leather looking thing...about 2 inches wide...that had a MEDICAL ALERT bracelet attacted on top of it.)

This probably looked "cool" for walking around the mall...but, not for a basketball game.

Anyway, the mother came down on the court...as my partner was talking to the player...asking if there was a problem.

My partner explained to her he would have to get the bracelet taped...or he couldn't play. Immediately, the AD of the home school was there to escort the mother off the court. ( Great job by the AD IMO.)

The mother was adamant that he needed that bracelet because of his medical condition.

My partner told her he could wear the funky looking bracelet...but, it would have to be taped.

Also...what if the tape is white (as usual athletic tape is) and the other players are wearing black wristbands?

Comments?

Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)

Kinda harsh there...It's before the game and the child has a medical condition requiring a bracelet and the parent sees some discussion about the bracelet--I don't blame them for being alarmed. I would politely asked them to leave the court and address their concerns through the coach.

Would you kick out a parent who runs on the court when there child has suffered a major injury?

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Kinda harsh there...It's before the game and the child has a medical condition requiring a bracelet and the parent sees some discussion about the bracelet--I don't blame them for being alarmed. I would politely asked them to leave the court and address their concerns through the coach.

Would you kick out a parent who runs on the court when there child has suffered a major injury?

Nope. But its the exception to the rule. And the only one!! But that kid better never be able to come back into the game. Otherwise its just one more overrection by a parent.

Harsh? Nope. But parents need to know their limits. And coming on the floor is one of them.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Sorry, I don't care why a parent feels the need to come on the floor to discuss anything with an official. If they do that, they are gonzo. If a player has a medical alert bracelet, it has to be taped. Its a rule. Period. No more reason for Mommy to come on the floor than when I call a foul on her little boy. (sarcasm)

Wow. Completely absurd imo. I would like to think that we can excercise better people skills than to throw a parent for this. Like a poster said... mom noticed some concern over her kid's medical bracelet and wanted to know what was going on.... easily addressed and we don't have to look like complete a-holes. How much smoother do you think the game will go if we present ourselves as humans and not power mongers on an ego trip?

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Nope. But its the exception to the rule. And the only one!! But that kid better never be able to come back into the game. Otherwise its just one more overrection by a parent.

So if the kid returns in the second half after a nasty lookin' first half injury, do you go looking for the parent to dump them?

[Ignats75]

Yeah...I'm going right up into the stands after 'em Sheesh.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Wow. Completely absurd imo. I would like to think that we can excercise better people skills than to throw a parent for this. Like a poster said... mom noticed some concern over her kid's medical bracelet and wanted to know what was going on.... easily addressed and we don't have to look like complete a-holes. How much smoother do you think the game will go if we present ourselves as humans and not power mongers on an ego trip?

Look, I only do high school. I'm not talking about some lower level game with Mommy worried about jr. In the context of my post we're talking about a parent coming on the floor at an official (maybe not threateningly) which sets a real dangerous precedence. Does this same parent complain about jr's playing time to the coach too? Sorry. I don't by that. It has nothing to do with egotrip. It has to do with the proper management of the game, including what is allowed by the crowd. An example of preventative management. We've had three serious assaults on basketball officials in the last couple of years. Its not a joke that parents need to know their place.

Mom's concern over what her kid is wearing is quite frankly none of her business on the floor. The referee involved is following the rules. It has nothing to do with the health of the kid. It has to do with the rules. Are we going to start letting parents come down and ask us during a dead ball why that last call was a charge intead of a block too? This is a hot button for me. Parents need to let the coach coach, the official officiate and the kids play. Personally, I think the games would be better if only students and teachers were allowed in the stands. Most of the unsportsmanlike behavior we see at games comes from adults. Thats truly sad.

[BBall_Junkie]

I only do varsity HS and small college as well and your analogies are apples and oranges. Handle it the way you want but I find you way off base as you seem to be the type who only see black and white and not the shades of gray that actually present a real bball game.

If "mommy" comes out of the stands during a game to question a call... gone. If she comes down pre game to see what the situation about her kid's medical bracelet is about and does so in a civilized manner I address it and have her take her place back in the stands... apples and oranges dude. In my opinion it is applying common sense to individual situations in a game environment and not covering everything with a blanket...

~sigh~... Again do it however you see fit but I personally find your approach to be heavy handed. I will judge each sitch on its own merits and act accordingly.

[Oz Referee]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

The referee involved is following the rules. It has nothing to do with the health of the kid.

Wow I thought that many of the rules we enforce are directly about the health of the players - medical alert bracelets, blood, etc. Obviously you know better