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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 09:37am
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Question 3-second rule -> Allowance

RULE 9-SECTION 7 THREE SECONDS
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not remain for three seconds in that part of his/her
free-throw lane between the end line and the farther edge of the free-throw line while the ball is in control of his/her team in his/her frontcourt.
ART. 2 . . . The three-second restriction applies to a player who has only one foot touching the lane boundary. The line is part of the lane. All lines designating the free-throw lane, but not lane-space marks and neutral-zone marks, are part of the lane.
ART. 3 . . . Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the
restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to
try for goal.
PENALTY: (Section 7) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is
awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds
spot nearest the violation.


[Rationale – The three-second rule was developed to force offensive players to move without the ball and reduce congestion within the lane area.]


(Dribbling) A1 is at the top of the key and drives to the lane. A1 is in the lane for 3/4 of a second, going toward the basket, when Lead official whistles the play dead because A4 was in the lane for three seconds.


Is this correct?

Does the allowance “ made for a player who… moves immediately to try for a goal” apply only to the player [A1] , or does the allowance apply to the 3-second count rule on any teammate of A1 [A4 et al] ?


Although I rarely use the 3-second rule, my stance has been to suspend any count if any player, with the ball and in the lane, is making a move to the basket.

I find no support, pro or con, anywhere.


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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 09:49am
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I think the allowance only applies to that player.
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my stance has been to suspend any count if any player, with the ball and in the lane, is making a move to the basket.
I tend to agree with you - unless the other offensive player in the lane has an advantageous position (such as a rebounding position with the defense in a zone, or that player sets a screen that gives the player with the ball and advantage) as a result of being in the lane for 3 or more seconds when the player goes to the hoop.
Otherwise we have nothing until the ball leaves the lane or the offensive player ceases action to the hoop.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 10:27am
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Around here the expectation is as you suggest: suspend the count if any player is going to the basket.

Learned that the loud way once as a rookie...
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 10:35am
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I think the allowance only applies to that player.

Agreed..........
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 11:03am
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Mick, if a player is making a drive to the basket, I have a very, very hard time justifying calling 3 seconds on a different player. However, if the defender leaves A4 to go over and stop the drive and A1 passes to A4 - ring him up. That's the kind of thing the rule and allowance is trying to prevent.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 11:13am
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Mick, if a player is making a drive to the basket, I have a very, very hard time justifying calling 3 seconds on a different player. However, if the defender leaves A4 to go over and stop the drive and A1 passes to A4 - ring him up. That's the kind of thing the rule and allowance is trying to prevent.
Absolutely: I suspend the count if a player is driving to the basket, but if he stops or passes, violation.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 02:58pm
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Absolutely: I suspend the count if a player is driving to the basket, but if he stops or passes, violation.
When A4, in a threatening position, is in the lane for 3 when A1 is driving such that B4 must make a decision to stay on A4 or help on A1, I call the three. A4 gained an advantage by remaining in the lane..sucking the defense away from the drive. If A4 is in a spot that doesn't put B in such a position, no call.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 05:35pm
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When A4, in a threatening position, is in the lane for 3 when A1 is driving such that B4 must make a decision to stay on A4 or help on A1, I call the three. A4 gained an advantage by remaining in the lane..sucking the defense away from the drive. If A4 is in a spot that doesn't put B in such a position, no call.
Not saying you're wrong to do it, just that I can't call that around here.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 06:23pm
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When A4, in a threatening position, is in the lane for 3 when A1 is driving such that B4 must make a decision to stay on A4 or help on A1, I call the three. A4 gained an advantage by remaining in the lane..sucking the defense away from the drive. If A4 is in a spot that doesn't put B in such a position, no call.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but isn't this, in essence, exactly the same as blowing the whistle for the 3-second violation as a 3-pt. try is being released? (say, for example, that the defender has to chose between sticking with the A player in the lane or going out to run at/contest the 3-pt. try)

In my mind it is, and I won't make that call.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 07:21pm
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Just playing devil's advocate here, but isn't this, in essence, exactly the same as blowing the whistle for the 3-second violation as a 3-pt. try is being released? (say, for example, that the defender has to chose between sticking with the A player in the lane or going out to run at/contest the 3-pt. try)

In my mind it is, and I won't make that call.
No....that defender has no chance to get to an 'in-progress' three pointer if they're still defending A5 when A5 has been there at 3 seconds.
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Old Tue Dec 09, 2008, 09:32pm
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Spirit Of The Rule ???

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Absolutely: I suspend the count if a player is driving to the basket, but if he stops or passes, violation.
Sounds like Intent and Purpose to me.
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