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jdmara Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mick (Post 556847)
If I come to you for help and you don't know, give me *Thumbs up*.
Good call Mick

Adam Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:24am
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Originally Posted by mick (Post 556847)
If I come to you for help and you don't know, give me *Thumbs up*.
Agree, I think it looks horrible to go for help, not get it, and then make a decision. It looks like you're guessing.

OHBBREF Wed Dec 10, 2008 08:04am
Pre-game
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mick (Post 556847)
If I come to you for help and you don't know, give me *Thumbs up*.
I do and I hope that we all talk about this in pre-game, and we all mention that we are not shy about asking for help if we need it.

But I do not agree with the if you do not know give me the Thumbs up, what if your third has the only real view of the play?

So now you could have a scenario with the lead not knowing who last touched the ball so he looks to the trail who gives the thumbs up and you want to go alternating posession but the C steps in and gives infromation that says it is team A's ball.

We use the If you do not know lets get together and talk about it.
that way there is no visual signal that can get you in trouble later.
just my preference.

mick Wed Dec 10, 2008 08:21am
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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 556944)
I do and I hope that we all talk about this in pre-game, and we all mention that we are not shy about asking for help if we need it.

But I do not agree with the if you do not know give me the Thumbs up, what if your third has the only real view of the play?

So now you could have a scenario with the lead not knowing who last touched the ball so he looks to the trail who gives the thumbs up and you want to go alternating posession but the C steps in and gives infromation that says it is team A's ball.

We use the If you do not know lets get together and talk about it.
that way there is no visual signal that can get you in trouble later.
just my preference.
In your sitch, when Trail gives *Thumbs up*, you point to [or look to] Center for help and Center gives direction.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 10, 2008 08:23am
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Originally Posted by mick (Post 556847)
If I come to you for help and you don't know, give me *Thumbs up*.
Strongly disagree. If you give the thumbs-up, then we're stuck with it. I may have an idea and be looking to see if you have a tip. If you give the thumbs-up, then my information (even if it's not 100%) goes out the window.

If you don't know, then that's all I need to know. I can then use the information I have, or I can go with the held ball myself.

mick Wed Dec 10, 2008 08:30am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 556949)
Strongly disagree. If you give the thumbs-up, then we're stuck with it. I may have an idea and be looking to see if you have a tip. If you give the thumbs-up, then my information (even if it's not 100%) goes out the window.

If you don't know, then that's all I need to know. I can then use the information I have, or I can go with the held ball myself.
Just ask if partner saw a tip.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 10, 2008 08:43am
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Originally Posted by mick (Post 556950)
Just ask if partner saw a tip.
Just don't give the thumbs-up.

Potato, potahto.

Juulie Downs Wed Dec 10, 2008 04:39pm
I think the frequency of this depends on the types of plays the teams are running. If there's a lot of passing, there's a greatly increased chance of an errant pass or a defensive tip toward the oob area. Also, a smothering defense with an aim to steal increases the chance of a wild flying oob ball, and also makes it harder for you to see who touched it last. Never be afraid to ask for help. If you pre-game properly, it looks very controlled and strong. Use gestures (don't yell), and announce the outcome firmly, put the ball in and go!!

Raymond Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:09pm
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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557125)
...Use gestures (don't yell), and announce the outcome firmly, put the ball in and go!!
I hope you don't mean to use gestures when asking for help. I specifically pre-game to verbally ask for help. I was actually dinged once for not asking for help loud enough.


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