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fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:04pm

The Ultimate Free Throw situation
 
A3 is fouled during an attempt for goal. The ball is mistakenly placed by your partner at the disposal of A1 at the free throw line. A1 shoots and misses.

Players and officials forget there should be two shots, and A2 rebounds the miss and makes a basket. After the ball goes in the basket but before it is at B’s disposal, the score table sounds the horn and tells the officials that A1 was entitled to another basket. They have awarded two points to team A. During this, you also realize that A3, not A1 is entitled to the free throw, and it is determined after discussing with your partner that A1 was deliberately deceptive in taking the free throw.

What do you do next?

Adam Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 555499)
A3 is fouled during an attempt for goal. The ball is mistakenly placed by your partner at the disposal of A1 at the free throw line. A1 shoots and misses.

Players and officials forget there should be two shots, and A2 rebounds the miss and makes a basket. After the ball goes in the basket but before it is at B’s disposal, the score table sounds the horn and tells the officials that A1 was entitled to another basket. They have awarded two points to team A. During this, you also realize that A3, not A1 is entitled to the free throw, and it is determined after discussing with your partner that A1 was deliberately deceptive in taking the free throw.

What do you do next?

Change my pants.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:11pm

I'll give it a shot:

A2's basket counts.

Charge a technical foul to A1 for deliberately taking a FT to which he was not entitled.

Give A3 two FTs with the lane cleared.

B gets two technical foul FTs and the subsequent throw-in at the division line.

You and your partner(s) spend the rest of the game preparing for the a$$-chewing you should receive from your assignor. ;)

fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 555504)
I'll give it a shot:

A2's basket counts.

Charge a technical foul to A1 for deliberately taking a FT to which he was not entitled.

Give A3 two FTs with the lane cleared.

B gets two technical foul FTs and the subsequent throw-in at the division line.

You and your partner(s) spend the rest of the game preparing for the a$$-chewing you should receive from your assignor. ;)

Bzzzzzzzt :D (well, except for the last part)

jdw3018 Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 555508)
Bzzzzzzzt :D (well, except for the last part)

Does that mean I'm right or wrong? :D

Bad Zebra Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 555499)

What do you do next?

Call Southwest Airlines.

fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 555510)
Call Southwest Airlines.

You are now free to move about the playing court.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:15pm

Point of clarification. Did the officials forget it was 2 shots and state 1? Or, did the officials state 2 shots and then it was played as 1?

fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:18pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 555512)
Point of clarification. Did the officials forget it was 2 shots and state 1? Or, did the officials state 2 shots and then it was played as 1?

In this situation, it doesn't matter. In fact, I can't think of how it would matter in any situation if the officials have a collective brain fart and allow rebounding and scoring action to go on.

Doesn't matter what the officials indicated. Just matters what happened after the ball is released.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:26pm

I'm not sure it matters either, other than if they stated 2 and it was just the players playing the ball and scoring, it could be waved off...but if everyone forgot and the play was played, then it's a failure to award a merited free throw CE situation and the score will count...still trying to figure out what was wrong w/ my original post then.

jdmara Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:30pm

Go to commercial break and ask Billy Packer what the correct call is!

-Josh

Adam Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 555504)
I'll give it a shot:

A2's basket counts.

Charge a technical foul to A1 for deliberately taking a FT to which he was not entitled.

Give A3 two FTs with the lane cleared.

B gets two technical foul FTs and the subsequent throw-in at the division line.

You and your partner(s) spend the rest of the game preparing for the a$$-chewing you should receive from your assignor. ;)

I've got this as correct. Only action during the free throw is canceled by rule, so A2's basket counts.

fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:59pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 555520)
I've got this as correct. Only action during the free throw is canceled by rule, so A2's basket counts.

I would think the same thing, except 2-10-4 states that the free throw shall be canceled. Note that it does NOT say that the successful free throw shall be canceled. It says the free throw period.

So, I have A3 attempting ONE free throw with the lane cleared.

The case book does not clarify this.

Thoughts?

Adam Thu Dec 04, 2008 06:17pm

Interesting; I think the purpose of the rule is to get the correct player to shoot both free throws at the correct hoop, I think the intent is clearly to only cancel the erroneously shot free throw.

I'll have A3 shoot 2 shots. Unless you want to apply this to a situation where everyone follows your partner to the wrong basket where the correct shooter takes a shot or two....

fiasco Thu Dec 04, 2008 06:23pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 555525)
Interesting; I think the purpose of the rule is to get the correct player to shoot both free throws at the correct hoop, I think the intent is clearly to only cancel the erroneously shot free throw.

I'll have A3 shoot 2 shots. Unless you want to apply this to a situation where everyone follows your partner to the wrong basket where the correct shooter takes a shot or two....

Your logic makes sense. I wish it were clarified in the case book.


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