The Official Forum - Odd Looking Play in Duke Game

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)

- Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)

- - Odd Looking Play in Duke Game (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/50133-odd-looking-play-duke-game.html)

What would be the correct violation call on a player who jumps then starts a dribble?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 555166)

What would be the correct violation call on a player who jumps then starts a dribble?

If the pivot foot is lifted before releasing the ball to start a dribble, it is a traveling violation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 554808)

Duke big man has the ball at top of key. Duke guard coming to get the ball behind the big man but he's being pressured by Purdue defender. He stops to try to get away from his defender. Duke big man thinks he's coming behind him and "drops" the ball to the floor. Duke big man then realizes the Duke guard is not there and picks it up.

Would the "drop" constitute a dribble? He didn't push it or tap it. He literally (intentionally) dropped it. He had not used his dribble prior to this pass/drop.

Anything?

Assuming that the Duke big man had already dribble and this was said to be legal since dropping the ball can be considered the start of a dribble?

But, what if the Duke big man had already killed his dribble ... Could he pick it up then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 555399)

Did he fumble it? ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 555446)

Did he fumble it? ;)

In case your question was not rhetorical the answer is "no."

No he was handing it off (passing it IMO)...

Not a double dribble....

A dribble is a control push or bat of the ball towards the floor.

If he passed it and was fast enough to get the pass, he can retrieve.

If he dropped the ball, he can pick up even after dribble.

In neither case can he dribble again though...

Anyone can pick up a loose ball.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 555461)

Not a double dribble....

Anyone can pick up a loose ball.

Not true. Anyone can pick up a fumble. There's a difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 555137)

so B1 is recieving a pass on the run. It is a little out of reach. so he reaches out and swats it out of the air to the floor then procedes to pic it up and start his dribble. Is this double dribble?

NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

With apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley, always give the benefit of the doubt to the player when he is trying to gain control of the ball in this situation. I am not saying that it is not possible for a player to gain control of the ball through the action of swatting of the ball as you describe, but the probablity of it is very, very, very, very small.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. AKOFL: My emphasis was not specifically intended for you but for the coaches and officials who lurk in the shadows of this Forum and will rule this an illegal dribble everytime. This year at the OhioHSAA State Rules Meetings this exact play was shown to everybody. It occured during the State Finals a few years ago and was ruled an illegal dribble. What made it worse was the State Rules Interpreter at the meeting at which I saw the tape thought it was the correct call.

Did anyone see this play?

Was it correctly called?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 555155)

I'm new. What's IMHO. U don't want to know what I think it is.

AKOFL:

Welcome to the Forum. I hope you enjoy your visits here.

MTD, Sr.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 555461)

if he passed it and was fast enough to get the pass, he can retrieve.

what?

So do we all agree that the "drop" constitutes a dribble?

according to dbking's post ... that would be no.

Personally, I think it does constitute a dribble.

A1 standing with the ball, never having dribbled.
He drops the ball so that it bounces, takes a step and picks the ball up off the bounce with both hands.

Are you going to let him dribble again?