Who is writing this stuff?

[cdaref]

You realize there is a question about 0 and 00 on this year's test, right? Is that what led you to post this?

[BillyMac]

Now you guys know why I left the 0, 00, issue out of my recent Administrative Technical Foul Penalty study guide. It was too confusing, are they treated as illegal, or identical, or both. I just left this part out.

Administrative Technical Foul Penalties ...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now you guys know why I left the 0, 00, issue out of my recent Administrative Technical Foul Penalty study guide. It was too confusing, are they treated as illegal, or identical, or both. I just left this part out.

Administrative Technical Foul Penalties ...

Billy:

Think of it this way:

1) Team A has a player listed in the book wearing the number "0"; that is legal.

2) Team A has a player listed in the book wearing the number "00"; that is legal.

3) Team A has a player listed in the book wearing the number "0" and another player listed in the book wearing hte number "00"; these considered identical numbers. The first player listed is legal and the second player listed must change his number. The penalty is one (1) technical foul charged to the team.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by cdaref

You realize there is a question about 0 and 00 on this year's test, right? Is that what led you to post this?

I must have overlooked that. Can you provide the question #?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The first player listed is legal and the second player listed must change his number.

Couldn't the first player listed be illegal and the second one be legal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

States: "Three minutes before the game starts, it is discovered: (b) two Team B team members are wearing the same number. RULING: In (b), a technical foul is charged to Team B upon discovery of the identical numbers. Only one team member may wear a given number; the other must change to a number not already in use before participating. (R10-S1-A2)"

I don't have my books on me but why is it a T for 2 members to wear the same number 3 minutes before the game starts...or before both players participate in the game for that matter? It doesn't necessarily mean that identical numbers are in the book for those players.

What is the wording of rule 10-1-2?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What is the wording of rule 10-1-2?

10-1-2e: (After the 10 minute mark...) Have identical numbers on team members and/or players.

My take:

While having both 0 and 00 on the team member list is a violation of 3-4-3d, there's no penalty listed in that section.

0 and 00 are not identical. The second becomes illegal only when that player enters the game -- and it's then charged to the coach. (10-5-4)

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it (or one team member put a "memorial patch" with a number on it on his/her uniform). Would we penalize immediately? No -- only when (if) that player entered. Same with 0 an 00.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10-1-2e: (After the 10 minute mark...) Have identical numbers on team members and/or players.

My take:

While having both 0 and 00 on the team member list is a violation of 3-4-3d, there's no penalty listed in that section.

0 and 00 are not identical. The second becomes illegal only when that player enters the game -- and it's then charged to the coach. (10-5-4)

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it (or one team member put a "memorial patch" with a number on it on his/her uniform). Would we penalize immediately? No -- only when (if) that player entered. Same with 0 an 00.

Yep.

Peace

[CoachP]

10-15 players, 35 numbers to pick from.....just remove 0 and 00 from the list of legal numbers? How many 0 or 00's do you guys really see out there?

In 14 years, I've seen 0 once.

Not counting the one JV girl game where she was a 10 the first half and came out as a 0 for the second. (The iron-on 1 fell off). The official had us do the white athletic tape trick to make a 1.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CoachP

10-15 players, 35 numbers to pick from.....just remove 0 and 00 from the list of legal numbers? How many 0 or 00's do you guys really see out there?

In 14 years, I've seen 0 once.

Not counting the one JV girl game where she was a 10 the first half and came out as a 0 for the second. (The iron-on 1 fell off). The official had us do the white athletic tape trick to make a 1.

I have seen the number multiple times over the years. You do not see them every game, but you see them or even every season, but you will see them from time to time. And how many times we see the number is really not relevant if you ask me. This is allowed and we deal with it.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it ...
Would we penalize immediately?

Is there a specific rule prohibiting the team member list from containing the number 66?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Is there a specific rule prohibiting the team member list from containing the number 66?

yes

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yes

Really? Please provide the citation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yes

My bad. I thought you were asking a rhetorical question. The point is that 0 and 00, while both legal numbers, are specifically forbidden from being on the same list. Other illegal number are not specifically forbidden from the list.
Is that the point? IOW, is it ok for a player to wear 66 every night, so long as he doesn't play?

[AKOFL]

Nice number, No playing time!!!