Inquiring minds part 2

[Bad Zebra]

Well...there we have it. Seems the Fed allowed this case to fly in the face of it's own rule. Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done...

With regard to the OP then, we need to debate whether placing a ball OB is materially different than bouncing it. Doesn't seem like a rule book is going to help here. Headache seems to be coming back.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Headache seems to be coming back.

Do what I'm doing. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done.

That's why we have the Mythbusters.

[Back In The Saddle]

Here's a little stronger ammo, I think, to the dribbling while OOB for a throw-in question:

NFHS 6-1-1 "The game and each extra period shall be started by a jump ball in the center restraining circle. After any subsequent dead ball, the only way to get the ball live is to resume play by a jump ball in the center restraining circle, by a throw-in or by a free throw. The dribble and traveling rules are not in effect in these situations."

NFHS Basketball Rules Fundamentals, #5 "5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw. "

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

NFHS 6-1-1 and NFHS Basketball Rules Fundamentals, #5

Great citations. Just what we would expect from a Forum member with almost 4000 posts, who is also a Mythbuster.

[Bad Zebra]

Very enlightening posts gentlemen. I can say I truly learned something new today.

However...That still doesn't resolve the case from the OP. Would placing the ball on the floor fall under the rules concerning dribbling or traveling?

[Vinski]

From what I can tell the rules don’t say a thing about it being illegal for A1 to place the ball on the floor once the ball is at the thrower’s disposal. However, it does say that a defender cannot cross the boundary line and further more may not contact the ball. If the defender does cross the line, then we have a delay of game warning or a T if this is the second delay. If the defender also contacts the ball (in the possession of the thrower or not) we also have a technical foul.

A player shall not:
10-3-11 . . . Reach through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touch or dislodge the ball as in 9-2 Penalty 3.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Vinski

From what I can tell the rules don’t say a thing about it being illegal

Thank you. Somebody else who gets it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Well...there we have it. Seems the Fed allowed this case to fly in the face of it's own rule. Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done...

With regard to the OP then, we need to debate whether placing a ball OB is materially different than bouncing it. Doesn't seem like a rule book is going to help here. Headache seems to be coming back.

What rule? The rule says a throwin pass may not touch the floor OOB before going IB. Placing the ball on the floor or dribbling it do not equal a throwin pass, therefore it's not against any rule.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Very enlightening posts gentlemen. I can say I truly learned something new today.

However...That still doesn't resolve the case from the OP. Would placing the ball on the floor fall under the rules concerning dribbling or traveling?

It's neither. There is no such thing as a dribble or travel during a throwin. A1 may do a jitterbug or a dribbling demonstration during the throwin (or both) so long as he releases the throwin pass within 5 seconds.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A1 may do a jitterbug or a dribbling demonstration during the throwin (or both) so long as he releases the throwin pass within 5 seconds.

Could you post a video of this, please?

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Well...there we have it. Seems the Fed allowed this case to fly in the face of it's own rule. Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done...

With regard to the OP then, we need to debate whether placing a ball OB is materially different than bouncing it. Doesn't seem like a rule book is going to help here. Headache seems to be coming back.

I dont think it is as muddled as it appears....I have mdified thre rule with the definitions...

Rule 9-2-2: The ball shall be thrown, batted, or rolled by another player by the thrower directly into the court from out of bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (in bounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched. The opeartive word is pass

If he aint passing and drbbling and traveling dont apply during a throw-in, it must be legal.... If it's not prohibited, it is allowed.
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