Inquiring minds part 2

[Kelvin green]

Yeah but A1 can also bounce the ball OOB prior to the pass inbounds....so if he sits it down you call a violation but he drops it and it bounces twice while he wipes his hands you dont?

No violation... Delay of game

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Yeah but A1 can also bounce the ball OOB prior to the pass inbounds. So if he sits it down you call a violation but he drops it and it bounces twice while he wipes his hands you don't? No violation. Delay of game

Another monkey wrench is thrown into the Forum machine. This is great, but, I'm just going to sit back and watch. I don't want to get hurt.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Yeah but A1 can also bounce the ball OOB prior to the pass inbounds....

Wasn't aware of that. Citation or case?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Wasn't aware of that. Citation or case?

A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not traveling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no more than three feet. A player inbounding the ball may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throwin.

I'm sure that someone will post the real citation in a few minutes.

[BillyMac]

NFHS 9.2.2 Situation D: A1 dribbles the ball on floor on the out-of-bounds area before making a throw-in. Ruling: Legal, a player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in.

[Bad Zebra]

Well...there we have it. Seems the Fed allowed this case to fly in the face of it's own rule. Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done...

With regard to the OP then, we need to debate whether placing a ball OB is materially different than bouncing it. Doesn't seem like a rule book is going to help here. Headache seems to be coming back.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Headache seems to be coming back.

Do what I'm doing. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done.

That's why we have the Mythbusters.

[Back In The Saddle]

Here's a little stronger ammo, I think, to the dribbling while OOB for a throw-in question:

NFHS 6-1-1 "The game and each extra period shall be started by a jump ball in the center restraining circle. After any subsequent dead ball, the only way to get the ball live is to resume play by a jump ball in the center restraining circle, by a throw-in or by a free throw. The dribble and traveling rules are not in effect in these situations."

NFHS Basketball Rules Fundamentals, #5 "5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw. "

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Well...there we have it. Seems the Fed allowed this case to fly in the face of it's own rule. Luckily, in the 8 years I've been doing HS ball, no one has ever dribbled a throw in I was administering. Not sure what I would have done...

With regard to the OP then, we need to debate whether placing a ball OB is materially different than bouncing it. Doesn't seem like a rule book is going to help here. Headache seems to be coming back.

I dont think it is as muddled as it appears....I have mdified thre rule with the definitions...

Rule 9-2-2: The ball shall be thrown, batted, or rolled by another player by the thrower directly into the court from out of bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (in bounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched. The opeartive word is pass

If he aint passing and drbbling and traveling dont apply during a throw-in, it must be legal.... If it's not prohibited, it is allowed.
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