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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 07:11pm
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Time Out Procedures

Officials do not switch court positions. Official with “line responsibility” when time-out was called, will administer the resumption of play throw-in and should assume that spot after reporting the time out.

If 30 second - one official goes to designated resumption of play spot and other official straddles division line, half-way between center circle and sideline closest to table. Both officials face the table.

If 60 Second - one official goes to designated resumption of play spot and other official straddles division line, half-way between sideline farthest from the table and the center circle. Both officials face the table.

Administering official - place ball on either hip, belt or back to indicate direction of ball.

Warning horn - when warning horn sounds, both officials initially move towards each team huddle and verbally say "first horn" and put index finger in air; then move to resumption of play court positions.

Final horn – Administering official will blow whistle before resuming play or use resumption of play procedure if teams are not ready to play.

Also, we're not allowed to "bump" the timeout, meaning that if I grant the timeout, I can't tell my partner to go to the reporting area to report the timeout, I must do it myself, no matter how far away from the table I am, and no matter how close my partner is to the table.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 08:31pm
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Also, we're not allowed to "bump" the timeout, meaning that if I grant the timeout, I can't tell my partner to go to the reporting area to report the timeout, I must do it myself, no matter how far away from the table I am, and no matter how close my partner is to the table.
When I was in DC we referred to that as "relaying" the time-out. Now that I am in NV, I call it "pony expressing."
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 08:51pm
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When I was in DC we referred to that as "relaying" the time-out. Now that I am in NV, I call it "pony expressing."
Were you allowed to do it in the District? Are you allowed to do it in Nevada? We were allowed to do this for many years, until a few years ago, and I don't remember if we were using NFHS, or IAABO, mechanics back then, when we were suddenly told to stop the mechanic. According to our interpreter, two officials in a single "big time" game, screwed up the timeout reporting. The granting official said, "Timeout White", it got "bumped", and his partner misheard him, and reported it as, "Timeout Green", which created all kinds of problems near the end of a close game. Because two officials screwed up, we can't "bump" the timeouts anymore, at least here in Connecticut.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 09:23pm
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Time Out Procedures

Officials do not switch court positions. Official with “line responsibility” when time-out was called, will administer the resumption of play throw-in and should assume that spot after reporting the time out.
A switch of trail/lead does occur if and only if the throwin will be on the lead's sideline, in the frontcourt, and above the FT line extended.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2008, 07:35am
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A switch of trail/lead does occur if and only if the throwin will be on the lead's sideline, in the frontcourt, and above the FT line extended.
Here in Connecticut this is an area of controversy, not the switch part, but the line responsibility part. We recently switched form NFHS, to IAABO mechanics, and IAABO mechanics give us an option in terms of line responsibilities. Some of us old timers still believe that the lead's line responsibility extends all the way up the sideline, all the way to the backcourt endline. Younger officials believe that the lead's line responsibility ends at the foul line extended. IAABO gives us both options. This has to pregamed every game. I believe that the interpreters in our state are working on taking away the option part of this and will come out with a "Connecticut" line responsibility mechanic soon. I hope so. As I get older, as we all tend to do, and as more rookies join our local board, there will come a time when my assigned partner will only know the newer option.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2008, 07:41am
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Younger officials believe that the lead's line responsibility ends at the foul line extended.
I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!

There is no-freaking-way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!
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I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!There is no way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!
You share my opinion, but the "higher ups" believe that the trail, in a two person game, can make that call if they move from the A, to the B, almost into the C lane.
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You share my opinion, but the "higher ups" believe that the trail, in a two person game, can make that call if they move from the A, to the B, almost into the C lane.
I believe that those "higher ups" need to come back down to reality.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2008, 09:44pm
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I believe that those "higher ups" need to come back down to reality.
IAABO claims that "farther sideline coverage by the trail above free throw line extended reduces ball watching and provides better coverage" (IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual, page 46, "Option: Line Coverage Above Free Throw Line Extended)
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I can see that for THROW-IN administration responsibility, but not for LINE responsibility!

There is no-freaking-way that the Trail on the opposite side of the court can tell if a player steps on the boundary line on the Lead's side of the court above the FT line extended. In order to have a good angle to make that call the Trail would have to be hovering fifteen feet in the air!
Referee has call this a "recommended mechanic" for a while and I noticed that some of the officials in Wisconsin advocate this. Personally, I take the sideline all the way down on my side of the court when I'm the lead.

Don't want to shift gears too much, but I've misplaced my mechanics manual and I need a bit of a refresher since I've been working mostly 3-person.

2-person NFHS timeouts. 60-second and 30-second and the intermission between periods -- where does each official go? I know this was changed and changed back recently, so please, if anyone can give a quick synopsis, I'd appreciate it.
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Referee has call this a "recommended mechanic" for a while and I noticed that some of the officials in Wisconsin advocate this. Personally, I take the sideline all the way down on my side of the court when I'm the lead.

Don't want to shift gears too much, but I've misplaced my mechanics manual and I need a bit of a refresher since I've been working mostly 3-person.

2-person NFHS timeouts. 60-second and 30-second and the intermission between periods -- where does each official go? I know this was changed and changed back recently, so please, if anyone can give a quick synopsis, I'd appreciate it.
Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded (unless where the benches are, then the official stands outside the bench area across from that spot). This is true for all TOs and intermissions.

The other official takes a spot halfway between the circle and the sideline tableside for 30 second TOs, and halfway between the circle and the sideline opposite the table for 60 second TOs and intermissions.
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Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded (unless where the benches are, then the official stands outside the bench area across from that spot). This is true for all TOs and intermissions.

The other official takes a spot halfway between the circle and the sideline tableside for 30 second TOs, and halfway between the circle and the sideline opposite the table for 60 second TOs and intermissions.
NFHS says on edge/on of the circle.
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Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded (unless where the benches are, then the official stands outside the bench area across from that spot). This is true for all TOs and intermissions.

The other official takes a spot halfway between the circle and the sideline tableside for 30 second TOs, and halfway between the circle and the sideline opposite the table for 60 second TOs and intermissions.
Thanks to you and Mick. That's what I remember. It's a change back to what we used to do years ago away from the silly both go to the tops of the key or the blocks we did for a few years.
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Official that will administer the throw-in goes to the spot the ball will be inbounded ...
And that official may or may not be the official who administers the timeout. That responsibility is based on who's line the throwin will be on based on the official's positions before the timeout.
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A switch of trail/lead does occur if and only if the throwin will be on the lead's sideline, in the frontcourt, and above the FT line extended.


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The only case in which I believe that it would be proper for the officials to switch during a time-out is if the location of the throw-in upon resumption would have dictated a sideline switch had there been a violation instead of a time-out request.
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