Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 550413)

The ball is at the disposal of free thrower A1. B1 steps into the
lane, and the official gives the delayed violation signal. A1 then
requests a timeout. When the team returns to the free throw after
the timeout, the official puts the ball at the disposal of A1 and
again gives the delayed violation signal. The free throw is missed
by A1, and the official awards a repeated free throw.
Correct?

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 550428)

9.1.3 SITUATION C: A1 is preparing to attempt a free throw. Prior to A1’s
release of the ball, B1 fakes causing A2 to enter the lane prematurely. A1 then
requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Upon resuming play, A1 is entitled
to a free throw and the official shall use the proper signal indicating a violation by B1 prior to the granting of the time-out. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored, if unsuccessful a substitute throw is awarded. (9-1-3b)


I stand corrected...hmmm

-Josh

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 550428)

9.1.3 SITUATION C: A1 is preparing to attempt a free throw. Prior to A1’s
release of the ball, B1 fakes causing A2 to enter the lane prematurely. A1 then
requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Upon resuming play, A1 is entitled
to a free throw and the official shall use the proper signal indicating a violation by B1 prior to the granting of the time-out. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored, if unsuccessful a substitute throw is awarded. (9-1-3b)


I stand corrected...hmmm

-Josh

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 550435)

You are correct but I do not believe that case play is the correct one,
This one actually comes from the NCAA case book

RULING: The official is correct. Even though a timeout was taken by
Team A, it does not negate the violation by B1.
(Rule 9-2.2.b)
When a violation is by the free-throwers opponent only:
b. When the try is not successful, the ball shall become dead when the free throw ends and a substitute free throw shall be attempted by the same free thrower under the same conditions as those of the original free throw.

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 550428)

9.1.3 SITUATION C: A1 is preparing to attempt a free throw. Prior to A1’s
release of the ball, B1 fakes causing A2 to enter the lane prematurely. A1 then
requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Upon resuming play, A1 is entitled
to a free throw and the official shall use the proper signal indicating a violation by B1 prior to the granting of the time-out. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored, if unsuccessful a substitute throw is awarded. (9-1-3b)


I stand corrected...hmmm

-Josh

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 550437)

Josh, did you find this in the rule book or on the website?

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 550435)

You are correct but I do not believe that case play is the correct one,
This one actually comes from the NCAA case book

RULING: The official is correct. Even though a timeout was taken by
Team A, it does not negate the violation by B1.
(Rule 9-2.2.b)
When a violation is by the free-throwers opponent only:
b. When the try is not successful, the ball shall become dead when the free throw ends and a substitute free throw shall be attempted by the same free thrower under the same conditions as those of the original free throw.

Originally Posted by ajs8207 (Post 550436)

So is this the FED interpretation as well?

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 550440)

2008-2009 Casebook page 67

-Josh

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 550417)

I don't have any case to back it up but I would not give a substitute free throw. Once a time out is called, the ball becomes dead with the whistle thus the free throw has ended. After the timeout, the free throw is administered and the ball is made live again. I don't believe violations would carry over.

Just my opinion though. Great question

-Josh

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 550463)

Although there are some specific rules that permit taking a time out to "buy" a player back into the game (for blood or injury), the granting of a time out never uncalls any violation or foul nor does it ever cancel any penalty.

I have occasionally seen posts here that tried to say that if the defense violates on a free throw it's not a violation unless the shot is missed. That is absolutely not true. When B1 stepped into the lane, he violated. The penalty for that violation includes waiting to see if the free thrower makes the shot. If he does, "the violation is disregarded" (NFHS 9-1 Penalties 2-a)

There's nothing about granting a time out that undoes B1's violation, nor does it set aside the penalty. It merely delays the enforcement of the penalty for 30 or 60 seconds.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 550465)

I wonder if BadNewsRef would insist that the violation occurs when the thrower's attempt is unsuccessful. ;)

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 550441)

Why don't you think it's the correct case play?