Legimate T

OHBBREF · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 10:17am

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

Raymond · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 10:20am

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

Maybe when he's in town he's an asstistant and he was just late to the game?

OHBBREF · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 10:24am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe when he's in town he's an asstistant and he was just late to the game?

and that is fine!

but he needs to be listed as an assistant.

it would not be above a coach to put a former College - NBA or current either on the bench as an intimidation factor either for Referees or players.

my point is no matter who he is he needs to be team personel and not just a DAD out of the stands beause of who he is.

Raymond · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

and that is fine!

but he needs to be listed as an assistant.

it would not be above a coach to put a former College - NBA or current either on the bench as an intimidation factor either for Referees or players.

my point is no matter who he is he needs to be team personel and not just a DAD out of the stands beause of who he is.

Not to be a smart aleck, but where do they post that list where you work b/c I've never seen anything like that.

LDUB · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

and that is fine!

but he needs to be listed as an assistant.

Where is this list of coaches supposed to be located?

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 10:04pm

BTW, put me in the 'GREAT CALL' camp in response to the OP.

Well done, Chessref.

btaylor64 · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

I hope he wouldn't give coach the stop sign. Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator. Coaches do not respond well to this. Non-verbal is something like 73% of communication and this is a very ineffective non-verbal tool. Not jumping on you in particular but so many believe this to be an appropriate signal when in fact it does not aid in conflict resolution but instead instigates the conflict.

OHBBREF · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64

Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator.
Coaches do not respond well to this. Non-verbal is something like 73% of communication and this is a very ineffective non-verbal tool.

I have to tell you that I do not disagree with your analysis but there are a lot of supervisors and assignors who still want to see it used.

speaking of non-verbal

Monday night at my scrimmage one of the long time officials is taking some legitimate flack from a coach on a call and I noticed him standing there with his arms laced across the fron of his body -with one sholder sort of down and leaning away from the coach.

Talk about negative non-verbal communication!

#9 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64

Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator. Coaches do not respond well to this.

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I have to tell you that I do not disagree with your analysis but there are a lot of supervisors and assignors who still want to see it used.

I believe how the stop sign is used is what instigates or defuses conflict.

I've seen officials put their hand directly in a coaches face while 2-4 feet apart... not good.

I've seen officials extend the stop sign toward a coach at mid-chest level... good.

Visually warning a coach & having it show up on tape is a good thing, as opposed to just a verbal warning. What happens when somebody on the crew sticks coach and they say "no one ever warned me"?

Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 03:10pm

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What happens when somebody on the crew sticks coach and they say "no one ever warned me"?

This one's easy enough.

"No warning is required for unsporting behavior, Coach."

TravelinMan · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 12:48pm

OHBBREF - sounds like a legitimate mechanic to me. I would just add rolling eyes and shaking head to complete the new mechanic.

what do you define as "legitimate flack"?

OHBBREF · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by TravelinMan

what do you define as "legitimate flack"?

the coach was calmly questioning a very close block call and just two trips ago on the other end we had a very similar call go the other way.

chartrusepengui · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:31pm

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Visually warning a coach & having it show up on tape is a good thing, as opposed to just a verbal warning. What happens when somebody on the crew sticks coach and they say "no one ever warned me"?

Warnings are not required!

bob jenkins · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:48pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Warnings are not required!

Of course not -- especially when the coach "leaps over the line."

But, when the coach sidles up to it, sticks a toe over it, then steps with one foot over the line, it's good to have a warning.

Ignats75 · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Warnings are not required!

No warnings are not required, but if the complaints get pushed up the line to the assignor, its good for him/her to see on tape that a warning was given. That is why virtually every assignor I work for likes to see a stop sign. Don't put it in the coaches face, just raise your hand so it can be seen on the video. Its visual proof that not only was a warning given, but that the referee isn't shown to have a hair trigger. I generally don't extend my hand when Iuse it. It works about half the time. The other half....well, the stop sign is half of the next signal to be given, i just need to turn my hand and bring the ther one up.