Legimate T

[Chess Ref]

So I'm starting my 5th year of this gig. Been doing all the appropriate things that everyone says to do and its going great. I should be getting a 75% Varsity schedule this year.
One of the areas I have paid particular attention to has been the whole game management/ coaches deal. So I have communication skills, I talk to them, and I deal with them.
In our area the coaches run roughshod over the officials . And we have an assignor that,when he reffed, he was the T man...So we have basically free reigh in taking care of business which doesn't seem to happen.
I have clearly fallen in the camp of "taking care of bidness". So the games I work have more T's then alot of other officials. I do the drill with the coaches but when it's time to T I do and that seems to be the difference between me and others.....So I gave all this background and stuff cause I'm going to need some people to bounce my T's off of this season.

Junior High coach who is real quiet. Had him last week not a peep. 1st Quarter not a peep. Then a current NBA player comes and sits down on the bench. Kids on the team. Said NBA player says nothing to me and partner all night. But now all of a sudden coach gets chippy. Fine I'll work with him. So I'm doing the communication drill, talking ,answering his somewhat legimate questions, but he's spiraling up. So I tell him "Thats enough" . My tone is like a scientist in a lab-I actually play alot of things close to the chest so I can definetly stay cool under pressure. As I'm walking away he yells at me "You just need to do your job." Loud enough that the whole gym heard. "Tweet" I give him his T. I wasn't personally affronted it really was business.

I know this is a HTBT but is my giving him this T reasonable ?

[SmokeEater]

Thats a good T in my Book. From what you say you tried to defuse him by talking a bit and as you walked away he "questioned" your integrity by implying you were not doing "your job".

I still am trying to figure out where this NBA player comes in all this. Do you feel that by his presence it caused this Coach to become unglued?

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I still am trying to figure out where this NBA player comes in all this. Do you feel that by his presence it caused this Coach to become unglued?

Yes, I had this coach for 5 quarters and not a peep,not a single peep. Then said player sits down and all of a sudden Bobby Knight Junior is on the bench. I'm assuming the presence of NBA player had some effect on his behavior. **shrugs**

NBA player said or did nothing all night but sit there.

[FrankHtown]

By giving the T, it sounds like you were doing your job.

[ILRef80]

Good T, IMO. I'm going to call that pretty much everytime.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

"You just need to do your job."

I always question when someone says "Oh, that's an automatic T"....but when a coach uses the "you" pronoun in a statement (not question) directed at my P or myself loudly enough to be heard on the floor, I will generally stick him.

Not sure why the appearance of NBA dad makes any difference to coach in this instance.

Good T IMO.

[OHBBREF]

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

Maybe when he's in town he's an asstistant and he was just late to the game?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe when he's in town he's an asstistant and he was just late to the game?

and that is fine!

but he needs to be listed as an assistant.

it would not be above a coach to put a former College - NBA or current either on the bench as an intimidation factor either for Referees or players.

my point is no matter who he is he needs to be team personel and not just a DAD out of the stands beause of who he is.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

great "T"

hopefully the warning came with a stop sign, so everyone knew what was coming. but the YOU makes it text book.

My question about the NBA player is this is he a coach, supporter, or just a dad. if he isn't a coach he shouldn't be on the bench, not that youu need to Whack anyone, but you might want to bring that up with the administration, that could be unauthorized personell on the bench and he should be there at the beginning of the game.

I hope he wouldn't give coach the stop sign. Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator. Coaches do not respond well to this. Non-verbal is something like 73% of communication and this is a very ineffective non-verbal tool. Not jumping on you in particular but so many believe this to be an appropriate signal when in fact it does not aid in conflict resolution but instead instigates the conflict.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator.
Coaches do not respond well to this. Non-verbal is something like 73% of communication and this is a very ineffective non-verbal tool.

I have to tell you that I do not disagree with your analysis but there are a lot of supervisors and assignors who still want to see it used.

speaking of non-verbal

Monday night at my scrimmage one of the long time officials is taking some legitimate flack from a coach on a call and I noticed him standing there with his arms laced across the fron of his body -with one sholder sort of down and leaning away from the coach.

Talk about negative non-verbal communication!

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Studies and pure trial and error shows that the stop sign does not act as a deterrent but rather as an instigator. Coaches do not respond well to this.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I have to tell you that I do not disagree with your analysis but there are a lot of supervisors and assignors who still want to see it used.

I believe how the stop sign is used is what instigates or defuses conflict.

I've seen officials put their hand directly in a coaches face while 2-4 feet apart... not good.

I've seen officials extend the stop sign toward a coach at mid-chest level... good.

Visually warning a coach & having it show up on tape is a good thing, as opposed to just a verbal warning. What happens when somebody on the crew sticks coach and they say "no one ever warned me"?

[TravelinMan]

OHBBREF - sounds like a legitimate mechanic to me. I would just add rolling eyes and shaking head to complete the new mechanic.

what do you define as "legitimate flack"?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

and that is fine!

but he needs to be listed as an assistant.

it would not be above a coach to put a former College - NBA or current either on the bench as an intimidation factor either for Referees or players.

my point is no matter who he is he needs to be team personel and not just a DAD out of the stands beause of who he is.

Not to be a smart aleck, but where do they post that list where you work b/c I've never seen anything like that.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

what do you define as "legitimate flack"?

the coach was calmly questioning a very close block call and just two trips ago on the other end we had a very similar call go the other way.