double dribble or not

[stripesrus]

player A1 passes the ball to player A2. A2 catches the ball and has full
control of the baall in both hands. But as he/she catches the ball, A2
is off balance and places the ball on the floor (with both hands on the
ball) to catch his/her balance. A2 then stands up and dribbles.

Is this double dribble or not?

[Adam]

Not a double dribble.

[JugglingReferee]

No illegal dribble.

[stripesrus]

Why not! please explain. or tell me where to look in the rules book.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by stripesrus

Why not! please explain. or tell me where to look in the rules book.

There used to be a note in the "Dribble" definition, but that note has been moved to the casebook. It is in 4.15 COMMENT: "It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once."

[stripesrus]

Thanks for your answers. I am new to this sight and found my answers from some of the posted back threads on this same subject.

It is not a dbl dribble according to rule 4-15-4.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

There used to be a note in the "Dribble" definition, but that note has been moved to the casebook. It is in 4.15 COMMENT: "It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once."

What if the player was OOB for a throw in and did the same thing??

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by stripesrus

It is not a dbl dribble according to rule 4-15-4.

As I posted above, stripes, it is no longer part of rule 4-15. If you want to go and actually read it yourself, you won't see it there. You'll have to go to the casebook.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stripesrus

Why not! please explain. or tell me where to look in the rules book.

It's not illegal because I can't find a rule that makes it illegal. Look in the book and find the rule that governs illegal dribbles. This player does nothing illegal; assuming he hasn't moved his pivot foot.

If he puts the ball down, moves, then picks it up again; it's a travel. But touching the ball to the floor is not considered a dribble.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jritchie

What if the player was OOB for a throw in and did the same thing??

You mean the player simply touched the ball to the ground? Perfectly legal, unless he touches it to the inbounds part of the court (and some people would argue that even that would be legal). Remember that the dribble rules are not in effect during a throw-in. So the thrower-in can dribble, catch the ball, dribble again as many times as he wants, within 5 seconds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jritchie

What if the player was OOB for a throw in and did the same thing??

Where does the ball touch the floor? In bounds or out of bounds?

If the ball touches in bounds, it's a throwin violation.
If it touches out of bounds, keep counting.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

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If he puts the ball down, moves, then picks it up again; it's a travel. But touching the ball to the floor is not considered a dribble.

Help me understand how this is a travel. Are you presuming that A1 has already used their dribble?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Help me understand how this is a travel. Are you presuming that A1 has already used their dribble?

Thanks, my bad. For some reason, I was thinking of the play where the player is on the floor (on a knee, for example), sets the ball down, stands up, and is the first to touch the ball. 4-44-5B, 4.44.5B.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Where does the ball touch the floor? In bounds or out of bounds?

If the ball touches in bounds, it's a throwin violation.
If it touches out of bounds, keep counting.

Correct.
Touching it to the floor inbounds constitutes carrying the ball onto the court. That's a violation per 9-2-5.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Correct.
Touching it to the floor inbounds constitutes carrying the ball onto the court. That's a violation per 9-2-5.

Thanks, I was starting to question my reading comprehension.