Basketball faceguarding!!!

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I guess I never would have considered that to be what someone means when they say "faceguarding."

Well, you apparently didn't have the same youth coaches, or see the same many college coaches teaching that as Josh did.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mick

Well, you apparently didn't have the same youth coaches, or see the same many college coaches teaching that as Josh did.

Guess not.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mick

Well, you apparently didn't have the same youth coaches, or see the same many college coaches teaching that as Josh did.

I don't know why the term, faceguarding, sticks out so prominently with me. Am I wrong in my definition? I'm definitely not trying to step on a soapbox and say what I think it right, if it's truly not the intent of the rule.

-Josh

[OHBBREF]

he NCAA has made this simplier:
" Purposely obstructing an opponent’s vision by waving or placing hand(s) near her eyes. "

the wording is the same for men and women the penalty is different - it takes away any option if you are trying to obstruct vision you now have the option to deal with it.

[mick]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I don't know why the term, faceguarding, sticks out so prominently with me. Am I wrong in my definition? I'm definitely not trying to step on a soapbox and say what I think it right, if it's truly not the intent of the rule.

-Josh

Well, Josh, other than the basic *first time on the court* elementary basketball player who was told to guard her/his opponent and not allow them the ball, have you ever seen a basketball player staring at an opponent with no regard for where the ball is ?
And writing that you have seen coaches teaching that tactic in a college setting, several or many times, and expecting anyone here to take that as truth, is quite a leap of faith.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mick

Well, Josh, other than the basic *first time on the court* elementary basketball player who was told to guard her/his opponent and not allow them the ball, have you ever seen a basketball player staring at an opponent with no regard for where the ball is ?
And writing that you have seen coaches teaching that tactic in a college setting, several or many times, and expecting anyone here to take that as truth, is quite a leap of faith.

I've actually observed Lute Olsen coach one of his players to do it back in the late 90's I can't for the life of me remember what year that was however or why they were in the midwest (might have been a tourney practice or something). I remember because a player from the hs in which I graduated was on the team. About three years ago, I was observing a UK practice (which I had a tendency to drop by since I worked at the University) and remember Tubby Smith talking about it. From what I have gathered from the few experiences I've seen it in the college game is that it's a technique to deny the scorer the ball with an undersized defender.

I wouldn't pull it out of my a$$ I've been around enough to see the thrashings people get around here for statements they can't back up. Didn't mean to make a seemingly arrogent statement.

So, I guess to answer your question...I have actually seen a collegiate basketball player faceguard. Undersized defender on the other team's leading scorer. I'm sure it was used during the game but I, honestly, didn't pay attention if it was used during the games.

-Josh

P.S. I lived for faceguarding in HS, I was that undersized defender

[mick]

Originally Posted by jdmara

P.S. I lived for faceguarding in HS, I was that undersized defender

At just under 6'0", I, too, was an undersized defender in high school, ... but I owned the ball if it went below the waist.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mick

At just under 6'0", I, too, was an undersized defender in high school, ... but I owned the ball if it went below the waist.

As a 5'6" giant, undersized was an understatement. Going into the lane was a foreign concept in HS. I guess that's why I played most of my minutes on the bench because I just wasn't tall enough. Most of my minutes were played faceguarding an opponent because the "better player" was earning too many fouls. I blame my parents for that physical deficiency

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

As a 5'6" giant, undersized was an understatement. Going into the lane was a foreign concept in HS. I guess that's why I played most of my minutes on the bench because I just wasn't tall enough. Most of my minutes were played faceguarding an opponent because the "better player" was earning too many fouls. I blame my parents for that physical deficiency

-Josh

We called that "fronting" our opponent rather than "face guarding." Is that what you're talking about?

[RavishingRev]

Okay, so now I am back to my original thought that it was not a violation, but now I must defend my thought by saying that it was not a violation because the defender was not specifically waving his hands right in the face of the offensive player. The more i think about it, the more I believe that to be the case. Agreed???? or no???

[mick]

Originally Posted by RavishingRev

Okay, so now I am back to my original thought that it was not a violation, but now I must defend my thought by saying that it was not a violation because the defender was not specifically waving his hands right in the face of the offensive player. The more i think about it, the more I believe that to be the case. Agreed???? or no???

Well, yeah !?!!
It ain't a foul for lookin' at an opponent.
Even Josh wouldn't get called for that.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mick

Well, yeah !?!!
It ain't a foul for lookin' at an opponent.
Even Josh wouldn't get called for that.

I wouldn't be obstructing his view with my hands straight up, I"m not tall enough.

Originally Posted by RavishingRev

Okay, so now I am back to my original thought that it was not a violation, but now I must defend my thought by saying that it was not a violation because the defender was not specifically waving his hands right in the face of the offensive player. The more i think about it, the more I believe that to be the case. Agreed???? or no???

Was he waving his hands in front of the opponent's face? I guess I'm still unclear about that

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We called that "fronting" our opponent rather than "face guarding." Is that what you're talking about?

Perhaps I am incorrect calling that faceguarding. It's been noted

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RavishingRev

Okay, so now I am back to my original thought that it was not a violation, but now I must defend my thought by saying that it was not a violation because the defender was not specifically waving his hands right in the face of the offensive player. The more i think about it, the more I believe that to be the case. Agreed???? or no???

All right, Rev, I think you need to more clearly describe what was being done.

[mlatsko1]

1st post on the forums, so hello to all.

I was also taught to "faceguard" in HS. This tactic was specifically used in a full court press situation, where we were looking to deny entry to the guards. It allowed us to focus specifically on them and hope for the inbounder to throw the ball over the top. When they tried this, we used our secondary coverage/defenders to attack.

As for "fronting," that is the act of defending between the post player and the perimeter player. You are not "facing" the offensive player in this scenario, you're just trying to defend the passing lane.

Concerning the reason that the term "faceguarding" came up, it's probably from watching football. Faceguarding in football is very common among defensive backs. (I don't like it personally, but oh well) It allows for the DB to react to the movement of the WR and attempt to interrupt the pass by throwing their hands into the expected location of the ball, based on the WRs hand position. It takes excellent reaction to do this effectively.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by mlatsko1

1st post on the forums, so hello to all.

Welcome to the forum! Stick around for awhile and enjoy the ride

-Josh