How Far is Too Far?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Spence

Rookie official here preparing for my first season.

I'm looking for opinions on how far you let a coach go in his/her complaining?

Are any of the following "too far?"

You suck.
That call sucked.
That was a garbage call.
Are you blind?


Quietly within earshot of no one but me in a non-hostile tone: "Geez, Spence, that was a B.S. call."(without using the initials)

Cursing? Automatic T?

Thoughts?

Whack
Whack
whack
and
Whack

[mick]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There are a few versions of that theme. I've heard it with prolonged replaced by public.

If you call that 3 Ps, don't worry.
I've got your back.

[M&M Guy]

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There are a few versions of that theme. I've heard it with prolonged replaced by public.

By public do you mean said loudly enough that it can be/was heard by others? That still leaves you with a decision to make about whether what was said was worth whacking the guy over.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Brad

I've never banned a moderator before, but there is a first for everything... so keep it up!

You could start by putting him in the Time Out corner. Sorta like a Stop sign.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Generally good advise but I will add:

If your partner has already stuck him and he is still being an ahole, you might want to whack and dump him (this should be discussed in pregame). This way it doesn't give the perception that your partner had it in for him and was going to eject him no matter what. You are a team out there and this is one way of being a strong team member.

There are two schools of thought here and you may want to ask around about what your local guys prefer. If a coach and/or player does something that obviously warrants it, I have no problem giving him two Ts. It could also have something to do with an official's experience. If a coach is acting like a jerk and it is directed at me twice - something I feel is worthy - I will T him up twice. I'm not going to go head hunting so (I hope) the perception will be the coach acted like a jerk twice.

[iref4him]

Anything directed personally is a 'T'. Saying the call was bad, sucked, or horrible, depends on the tone and antics of the coach, and/or the game situation. Swearing should be a 'T', again tone and antics of the coach

BUT --> All hinders on your association. What???? I know it sounds irrelevant. But, I am in an association where it all depends on how they want it called. Under one assignor, he would penalize you for calling 'T'. Why? He was friends with most of the coaches. He is also hired by a board made up of three coaches in the area. In fact the worse offenders were those coaches. The new assignor, however, wants the 'T's called, but his stipulation is that he does not want a phone call after the game about it from anybody. Take care of business is his stance.

What did I do? I called the 'T's as necessary as I have been trained and with my experience. Guess what? I sit home a lot. Mind you the other two associations I was in the top 5. Here, the good ol' boy system is very much in place with coaches and officials together. SOunds ridiculous, I know. The critique I get is that I don't let the coaches get away with the things like the other officials.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by tomegun

There are two schools of thought here and you may want to ask around about what your local guys prefer. If a coach and/or player does something that obviously warrants it, I have no problem giving him two Ts. It could also have something to do with an official's experience. If a coach is acting like a jerk and it is directed at me twice - something I feel is worthy - I will T him up twice. I'm not going to go head hunting so (I hope) the perception will be the coach acted like a jerk twice.

Agree and that is why I mentioned you should cover it in the pregame. In some of these scenario's you can give both, in others it may be better to work as a team to get where you need to go (i.e. Trent Johnson's heave ho in the tourney... Hall whacked him first and Shaw gave him directions to the exit door).