How Far is Too Far?

[Brad]

You suck.
Are you blind?
WHACK!!!

That call sucked.
That was a garbage call.
Not automatic as above. When a coach says "you" it takes on a different tone. "That call sucked" is not the same as "You suck"

I'd judge the above based on what has gone on the rest of the game... If nothing so far then address verbally, if you have already addressed give the official warning -- past that maybe WHACK maybe ignore -- take the game situation into account.

Quietly within earshot of no one but me in a non-hostile tone: "Geez, Spence, that was a B.S. call."(without using the initials)

Probably not for me... Again, I would take the rest of the game into consideration. If that coach hadn't said much then this would probably just get a warning. If there had already been history this game then it might be a tech.

Without even having read the rest of the thread other than the OP, I'm sure that many will say WHACK everything, but I think that we need to always consider our full range of responses rather than be a one-trick pony.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Brad

You suck.
Are you blind?
WHACK!!!

That call sucked.
That was a garbage call.
Not automatic as above. When a coach says "you" it takes on a different tone. "That call sucked" is not the same as "You suck"

I'd judge the above based on what has gone on the rest of the game... If nothing so far then address verbally, if you have already addressed give the official warning -- past that maybe WHACK maybe ignore -- take the game situation into account.

Quietly within earshot of no one but me in a non-hostile tone: "Geez, Spence, that was a B.S. call."(without using the initials)

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck, so he is very familiar with how to deal with this very subject!

Probably not for me... Again, I would take the rest of the game into consideration. If that coach hadn't said much then this would probably just get a warning. If there had already been history this game then it might be a tech.

Without even having read the rest of the thread other than the OP, I'm sure that many will say WHACK everything, but I think that we need to always consider our full range of responses rather than be a one-trick pony.

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck! Since he is faced with these comments all the time he knows exactly how to handle them...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[Spence]

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Spence

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

Yes, there come a time where you have to fight you own battles. If your partner IMO deem it is not worthy why bother.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

If it's verbal and your partner hears it, you probably want to stay out of it.

If it's an inappropriate gesture behind your partner's back, you probably wnat to get it.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If it's verbal and your partner hears it, you probably want to stay out of it.

If it's an inappropriate gesture behind your partner's back, you probably wnat to get it.

Generally good advise but I will add:

If your partner has already stuck him and he is still being an ahole, you might want to whack and dump him (this should be discussed in pregame). This way it doesn't give the perception that your partner had it in for him and was going to eject him no matter what. You are a team out there and this is one way of being a strong team member.

Also, if you are working with a younger/ inexperienced or weak official you might have to whack him if your partner won't to keep control of the game and get the coach focused back on coaching. I might tell my partner at a deadball, that if he keeps it up he is going to have to get him, bc if he doesn't I am going to. Then see if he takes care of business. If not, take care of it yourself.

Other than these examples, Bob's guidance is wise.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Generally good advise but I will add:

If your partner has already stuck him and he is still being an ahole, you might want to whack and dump him (this should be discussed in pregame). This way it doesn't give the perception that your partner had it in for him and was going to eject him no matter what. You are a team out there and this is one way of being a strong team member.

There are two schools of thought here and you may want to ask around about what your local guys prefer. If a coach and/or player does something that obviously warrants it, I have no problem giving him two Ts. It could also have something to do with an official's experience. If a coach is acting like a jerk and it is directed at me twice - something I feel is worthy - I will T him up twice. I'm not going to go head hunting so (I hope) the perception will be the coach acted like a jerk twice.

[iref4him]

Anything directed personally is a 'T'. Saying the call was bad, sucked, or horrible, depends on the tone and antics of the coach, and/or the game situation. Swearing should be a 'T', again tone and antics of the coach

BUT --> All hinders on your association. What???? I know it sounds irrelevant. But, I am in an association where it all depends on how they want it called. Under one assignor, he would penalize you for calling 'T'. Why? He was friends with most of the coaches. He is also hired by a board made up of three coaches in the area. In fact the worse offenders were those coaches. The new assignor, however, wants the 'T's called, but his stipulation is that he does not want a phone call after the game about it from anybody. Take care of business is his stance.

What did I do? I called the 'T's as necessary as I have been trained and with my experience. Guess what? I sit home a lot. Mind you the other two associations I was in the top 5. Here, the good ol' boy system is very much in place with coaches and officials together. SOunds ridiculous, I know. The critique I get is that I don't let the coaches get away with the things like the other officials.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by tomegun

There are two schools of thought here and you may want to ask around about what your local guys prefer. If a coach and/or player does something that obviously warrants it, I have no problem giving him two Ts. It could also have something to do with an official's experience. If a coach is acting like a jerk and it is directed at me twice - something I feel is worthy - I will T him up twice. I'm not going to go head hunting so (I hope) the perception will be the coach acted like a jerk twice.

Agree and that is why I mentioned you should cover it in the pregame. In some of these scenario's you can give both, in others it may be better to work as a team to get where you need to go (i.e. Trent Johnson's heave ho in the tourney... Hall whacked him first and Shaw gave him directions to the exit door).

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck! Since he is faced with these comments all the time he knows exactly how to handle them...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

I've never banned a moderator before, but there is a first for everything... so keep it up!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Brad

I've never banned a moderator before, but there is a first for everything... so keep it up!

You could start by putting him in the Time Out corner. Sorta like a Stop sign.