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Scrapper1 Tue Sep 30, 2008 05:51pm

Continuous motion?
 
A1 begins his shooting motion. The court is used for multiple sports and A1 steps on a non-boundary marking. The official mistakenly blows his whistle, believing that A1 stepped out of bounds. A1 continues the shooting motion and the ball enters the basket. Score the basket?

JRutledge Tue Sep 30, 2008 06:13pm

Inadvertent Whistle. Unfortunately, play would stop immediately. Continuous motion should not apply based on the rule.

Peace

BktBallRef Tue Sep 30, 2008 06:18pm

Continuous motion applies to a shooter and a foul by B. I don't see a B foul in this scenario.

I don't see counting the basket unless you're going to apply 2-3.

Camron Rust Tue Sep 30, 2008 06:19pm

And his/her coach would likely thank you as any line for another sport that is close enough to be confused with the real boundary line is likely a very long, low-odds shot.

Adam Tue Sep 30, 2008 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 540346)
And his/her coach would likely thank you as any line for another sport that is close enough to be confused with the real boundary line is likely a very long, low-odds shot.

Not necessarily. I've seen some volleyball lines and some cross-court lines that are within a couple feet of the base line. Had this very IW once, fortunately, the shooter missed a 5 foot shot.

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 30, 2008 07:41pm

You're all too smart and too fast. I was thinking this would get somebody who forgot that continuous motion only applies when the whistle is for a foul by the defense.

Camron Rust Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 540355)
Not necessarily. I've seen some volleyball lines and some cross-court lines that are within a couple feet of the base line. Had this very IW once, fortunately, the shooter missed a 5 foot shot.

Note that I did say "likely". ;)

CoachP Wed Oct 01, 2008 06:36am

This is a college gym in Northern Wisconsin. I think Mick has said he has ref'ed here before.

http://www.nbbc.edu/images/athletics_header.jpg

If you look, there is a line about 1 foot closer than the real FT line. I saw 2 violations in a tourny last year for a FT shooter shooting fron the "14" foot line.

You cannot tell from this pic very well, but the whole gym is a nightmare of lines.

BillyMac Wed Oct 01, 2008 06:40am

Sorry Coach, I Left My Seeing Eye Dog In the Car ...
 
We have many courts in our area that have lines close to, parallel to, and the same width, and color, as the division line and endlines. No matter how often I work at these sites, and note these lines in the pregame with my partner, we still inadvertently blow the whistle occasionally. All we can do is say "Sorry", and give the ball back to the team that didn't go back court, or didn't go out of bounds.

BillyMac Wed Oct 01, 2008 06:45am

Someday I'll Give This A Try ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 540401)

Nice wise, relevant, intelligent, and pleasant image.

grunewar Wed Oct 01, 2008 06:58am

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 540401)
You cannot tell from this pic very well, but the whole gym is a nightmare of lines.

Oh, I can tell in that picture! Looks like a real nightmare.....no matter what sport is playing! :eek:

Ya ever wonder what architect of the gym steps back after it's done and says "yeah, that looks good!?"

mick Wed Oct 01, 2008 07:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 540401)
This is a college gym in Northern Wisconsin. I think Mick has said he has ref'ed here before.

http://www.nbbc.edu/images/athletics_header.jpg

If you look, there is a line about 1 foot closer than the real FT line. I saw 2 violations in a tourny last year for a FT shooter shooting fron the "14" foot line.

You cannot tell from this pic very well, but the whole gym is a nightmare of lines.

You know it, Coach.
Makes a guy dizzy. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sp...smiley-024.gif
The designer should be beaten with a wet noodle.

Scrapper1 Wed Oct 01, 2008 07:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 540409)
Oh, I can tell in that picture! Looks like a real nightmare.....no matter what sport is playing! :eek:"

Looks like they even lay sod on the gym floor so they can play soccer!!

All_Heart Wed Oct 01, 2008 09:17am

For anyone watching the WNBA Conference Finals last night this is close to what happened.

A1 attempts a layup on the right side of the basket, which misses the rim because of B1's defense. The ball careens off the backboard to the left side of the basket where A1 grabs the rebound and attempts another try. As A1 is in her shooting motion B2 fouls A1. At the same time the Lead and the Center official blow their whistles. The C has a travel and the L has a foul. The C was calling a traveling violation for catching her own shot attempt when it didn't hit the rim (NBA\WNBA rule). The crew came together and they called it an inadvertent whistle and gave the ball to Team A under the basket. The L must have told the C that B1 tipped the shot which allowed A1 to catch the missed shot. The made basket and the foul did not count.

So if we have an inadvertant whistle at the same time as a whistle for a foul during a shot with continuous motion what do we do?

I would think that this is not the way to handle it for High School & College (I don't know the rules for the NBA so I'm not going to speak on if they got it right or not). I would think that the whistle for the foul is what stopped the clock and NOT the inadvertant whistle. So the basket and foul should count and play resumed as normal after the free throw.

What does everyone think and did anyone see this?

Ch1town Wed Oct 01, 2008 09:30am

Didn't see the game, nor am I officiating at that level. But as you describe the play perhaps they determined the whistle for the alleged travel violation occured just prior to the whistle for the foul.

In this scenario on the HS level, I would think we should handle it the same way. A classic example of what came first the incorrect travel call or the the foul. Sounds like good team officiating!


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