Who gets the ball out of bounds?

[Mark Padgett]

Guys - I always thought of it this way: if you blow your whistle for breaking the plane when the defender continues his arm motion and either hits the ball or fouls the inbounder, you could never have the call for hitting the ball (on the first violation) or committing an intentional personal foul for fouling the inbounder.

Seems simple enough to me.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Guys - I always thought of it this way: if you blow your whistle for breaking the plane when the defender continues his arm motion and either hits the ball or fouls the inbounder, you could never have the call for hitting the ball (on the first violation) or committing an intentional personal foul for fouling the inbounder.

Seems simple enough to me.

I agree with you Mark P., but NFHS R9-S2, Penalties 3 and 4 require the technical foul (Penalty 3) or and intentional personal foul (Penalty 4). I have been advocating that Penalties 3 and 4 are to be used only if R4-S46-A1 has not yet involked. Once R4-S46-A1 has been involked, then R9-S2, Penalty 2, takes precedence. But no one seems to be reading the penalty.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
if you blow your whistle for breaking the plane when the defender continues his arm motion and either hits the ball or fouls the inbounder, you could never have the call for hitting the ball (on the first violation) or committing an intentional personal foul for fouling the inbounder.

I just disagree, Mark. If the defender reaches through the OOB plane and fouls the inbounder, then you have to call the intentional, by rule. Even if you have a really quick whistle and blow it before he contacts the inbounder. If you disagree, then check out case 9.2.11 again, which I mentioned earler. It seems pretty cut and dried. Defender breaks the plane, hits the ball. Official shall call a technical foul and issue a warning for delay. Why all the consternation about this? If you touch the inbounder, it's an intentional. If you touch the ball, it's a technical. Don't make it harder than it has to be.

As usual, it's just my two cents, but it really seems like a whole lot of debate for no reason to me.

Chuck

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I have written a letter to Mary Struckhoff, NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Editor. If any of you would like a copy of the letter, just email me and I will be happy to email you a copy of the letter. Once I get an answer from Mary I will be happy to post.

Just wondering if you got an answer yet,Mark??