Two words...what Scrappy said :D

I must be missing something. Where above does it say that the <b>official</b> screwed up on the play being discussed? how do you know that it wasn't a table error? Most correctable errors are in my experience.

You'd better be prepared to catch flak on every single call that you make, and especially on the tough ones that you absolutely nail. You never know what is going to set <b>any</b> coach or player off. It's just the nature of the beast. And if it happens, you deal with it. Shrug.

Two words for you too....bull pucky.

If I knew what was coming next, I'd be a rich man..... and I'd be able to hire someone to read this forum for me....and respond accordingly.:p

Anybody that's officiated for longer than a minute and a half better damn well be prepared for a negative response to every single call...or non-call....that they make. If that's really surprising to anybody, then they haven't officiated for very long or they ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer. You don't have to develop <b>Game Management</b> skills:eek: to figger that out.

JMCO.

Wouldn't preventative officiating dictate that you bring both coaches together in this situation and explain the circumstances and ruling? I personally have never administered a CE but in my small mind, I would bring both coaches together, explain the situation, and then brace for Team B's coach to vent a little bit. It doesn't matter who's fault it is, the officials are going to be the one to take the heat, in my experience. Anyways, administratively how would you all handle a CE? Talk with both coaches together?

-Josh

Yep, I think it's better to give the exact same ruling to both parties in front of a witness (table) all at once.

Appreciate the affirmation. It's bound to happen sometime but to this date, knock on wood, it's been eluded.

-Josh

Depends on the CE. If it's something really obvious, like the table buzzing you that it shoulda been 1 n 1 while your administering the throw-in, then I wouldn't bother with the coaches unless they raise a question. Something more complicated, especially if we're going to have to do the POI thing and somebody's gonna get hosed...yeah, I'd be talking to the coaches. Together.

Okay, okay. I've gone back and fixed the original. I did not mean "consider" as in, "when making the decision, consider this...." No, I simply meant an official should "be aware" of what's coming next. B's coach here is going to be more unhappy and more vocal than if he thinks you missed a travel violation or a foul. A mistake is made, and he doesn't give a crap whether it's the officials' fault or the table. It's all the same to him, and to him, it's the officials' fault. CEs are just what they say, errors. They're messy.

This particular one is, aside from end-of-game CE scenarios, probably the worst. Make the ruling properly, and know you'll have a snippy coach for a bit. Know it so you can deal with it accordingly. I would have thought it was obvious from what I orginally wrote, but I fixed it just in case.

Furthermore, BNR states it well:

That's just about what I thought you meant. You can certainly "be aware" of the consequences of a call. At no point though, are you ever going to "consider" those consequences" <b>before</b> making that call.

You are <b>never</b> going to "consider" making any other call than your originally intended call.

That was my only real point....and I think that you got it. And I think that I now get your point also. and I agree with it too (fwiw).

I figured you were just picking on my sentence structure or something.

Actually I was picking on your word selection. i know you too well to consider that you actually meant the context of the word that you originally used. :)

That and me also forgetting to take my Metamucil this morning, of course.....

It's comforting to know that I can still hide my own Easter eggs though.

I'll just have to adjust my signature again.

The table didn't disallow the basket and put the time back on the clock, did they?