Well, "guess" is pretty harsh, but essentially, yes. You go through the play and come up with the best approximation you can.

Example: Team B-52, Team A-51. 4.0 seconds remain.

A1 throws it into A2, who takes 3 dribbles, and passes to A3. A3 takes another two dribbles, shot fakes, goes up, and gets fouled in the act of shooting.

Clock still says 4.0. We are idiots and never realized the clock did not start.

NFHS ruling- shoot two with 4.0 on the clock.
NCAA-W ruling- determine how much time should have come off of the clock and adjust it accordingly. If it is more than 4.0 (and in this case it sounds like it probably was), game over. B wins. Drive home safely.

I can not speak for the NCAA-M ruling.

That's also how I do it.

I can't imagine why anyone would suggest that. I suppose if it became the new NFHS mechanic, I would adjust; but it's not. So just count 1 swing per second, IMHO.

13 is probably too slow. But I would rather be a little slow than a little fast. A few years ago at camp, a D1 assignor asked us to close our eyes and raise our hands when we reached a 10-second count. He said the results were anywhere from 8 seconds to about 13. He said he didn't like 13, but he liked it a lot better than 8.

If there's no defensive pressure at all and it's obvious that the offense is going to push it to the frontcourt, then I might not have a count. Other than that, I always have a backcourt count.

In Massachusetts, we use a shot clock. It's not always run properly. But if you have a good shot clock operator, and you know that team control was established on the first touch after the throw-in, then the shot clock can be a big help with your 10-second count. Those are two very big "ifs", though.

I'm guessing your supervisor went on snipe hunts.

How far do you swing your arm? Do you move your upper arm, or just your lower arm?

Try moving just your lower arm, and move it "not as far" -- you can move it slower and still have each swing take a second.

Beautiful!

IIRC Frasier got the last laugh in that episode, though.

Elbow straight out, about shoulder level, and just the lower end of the arm going in and out, I do switch arms each time the ball passes to another player in backcourt. Can't remember who told me to do that, but it is a habit now.

I'd recommend against that. Switching arms generally indicates you've started your count over, such as when a dribbler crosses from backcourt to front court while closely guarded. There's no reason to switch arms while the ball is in the backcourt.

Anytime you have a new count you should switch arms. Using the same arm just causes confusion even if there are a few seconds between counts.

Peace

The preferred arm swing motion in my area is to:
- use your right arm
- tuck your right hand firmly underneath your arm pit
- lower your elbow from a horizontal position downwards towards your hip to start the count
- raise your elbow back up to horizontal position to complete a full second
- at the count of ten, the officials are to blow their whistles multiple times while running to the center court line, waving both hands with all 10 fingers extended

Important point of emphasis for this rule and mechanic: Only call the violation until the last few possessions of a tight game. After that, you have to let the players decide the game. Also, make sure to call it both ways.

True story.

thanks for the tips, most helpful!!

Agreed, and that's how I do it. Fritz stated he switched arms when the ball changed players in the backcourt. You don't get a new count here, so you shouldn't switch arms.

Dangit, Koach, I started to take your post seriously and was about to respond to your first rule....

Yeah, you are right. I was more responding to what you were saying, but now I see the context of your statements. The backcourt count would be the same count anyway, so you should not switch hands.

Peace

And I was waiting for him to add the part about if there are two or more players in backcourt, the left arm should come up as well so as to count along with the right arm...................