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(NevadaRef... my fault for not being clear about what I was trying to convey. I've always enjoyed your insights on this board. I think I came across a little rude.)
IMHO.... You have to have a whistle on the drive to the basket. From the angle we have it looks like a block to me. I don't see how you can't have a whistle one way or the other on this play. White gets two free throws and no goaltending IMO. 
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In my experience anytime someone posts such a clip that person has a strong opinion about the situation and is looking to share it and get feedback from others. Therefore, I'll give you my two cents on this play. 1. I believe that the defender established his position on the court prior to the offensive player's second foot leaving the floor (although it is impossible to tell because the official's head obscures the feet of the players). So I believe that he got there in the nick of time. Also, it is my opinion that the defender was not moving towards the opponent and thus did not initiate any of the contact. Therefore, I cannot penalize the defender on this play. I simply can't state anything that he did wrong. So I'm either calling a PC or nothing. 2. Did the amount of contact warrant a PC? Was the defender placed at a clear disadvantage by the contact? My answers are no to both questions. The attacking player seems to slide to the side and only clip the defender's shoulder and upper body. The defender goes down trying to draw the call. The offensive player gets a bit hurt on his fall because he was at an awkward angle, but he chose to make that move and put himself in that position. I'm not giving him anything that he doesn't deserve just because he stays down. So my thought is that the official had a poor angle as he got beat in transition, but was fortunate that nothing needed to be called on the play. In summary even if the action looks very ugly and bodies are on the floor, I have reached a point in my officiating where I can live with no whistle being put on the play, if I truly believe that neither player did anything illegal by rule and that the amount of contact was incidental.
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Tue Aug 05, 2008, 01:44am
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It is my opinion that the defender was late to the spot and I'd agree with a block. However, as with most YouTube videos, the quality is pathetic and no easy way to go slow motion so I don't hold that opinion strongly and wouldn't argue with anyone who called nothing....defender did appear to do a little embellishment on whatever contact there was. I do not thing it was a charge, however.
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I'm with Nevada on this one. I thought the defender was there in time, but contact was minimal if anything due partly to the defender's acting performance. There may have been a PC if the defender hadn't given up his position; but it's hard to tell with the angle.
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In case I wasn't clear, my vote's for no-call.
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I try to give a ruling based on my first viewing of these videos and then replay them to see if I would stick with my original call or not. The first time I played it I had a travel on green at the beginning. On the contact at the other end I would have called a block. On both plays the camera angle was poor, so difficult to tell for sure. Those would have been my "real time" calls. After replaying I think it probably was a travel, but I would ultimately be guessing. And on that block/charge call, I can't tell on that one for sure either. That angle simply doesn't provide for enough info to properly judge the play. It does look like the defender made it in the nick of time, but the contact also seems a lot less then what the bodies on the floor may indicate. But then again, the defender could have been moving in towards the ball handler as well.
I guess if I had a second chance to judge it I would go with a no-call because the contact was lighter than I thought and I simply can’t tell for sure from that angle.
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