What do you have???

[mu4scott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifIOQrCA5Vk

[Y2Koach]

First thing i got is green post player for travelling. Unless it's the summer....

[Nevadaref]

Two points for White and the ball OOB for Green anywhere along the endline.

Why? Do you think that something different should have been called on the play?

[mu4scott]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Two points for White and the ball OOB for Green anywhere along the endline.

Why? Do you think that something different should have been called on the play?

So your saying goaltending and a blocking foul on green? Would white get to shoot a free throw as well?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

So your saying goaltending and a blocking foul on green? Would white get to shoot a free throw as well?

Goaltending? No way. The ball was not above the rim. And it looked like the ball was on its way up. Two things you need to have GT were not present.

Peace

[mu4scott]

I didn't think it was goaltending either. That's why I questioned the "two points for green".

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

So your saying goaltending and a blocking foul on green? Would white get to shoot a free throw as well?

Nope, that's not what I'm saying.

White make a basket on a follow-up attempt after the blocked shot. That's where the two points come from.

What GT are you talking about?

What blocking foul?

You still haven't stated what YOU believe should have been called on this play. Please be specific.

[Scrapper1]

Definitely not goaltending, but I think there's probably a blocking foul on the drive. The contact, even if slight, certainly seems to have sent A1 to the floor. Can't tell definitively from the camera angle, but I am leaning more toward the blocking foul than others seem to be.

[JRutledge]

Hard to tell. You might have nothing at all. The camera angle does not help to show if there was any contact or much contact.

Also I would not have a travel without knowledge of what the player is doing with the ball. You are looking at the players back. You must have control to have a travel. It is not about the feet if a player does not have control of the ball. But I would not expect a coach to know that. Anything that looks funny to them is traveling. The official was looking dead at the play, unlike the video.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

First thing i got is green post player for travelling. Unless it's the summer....

I agree, a travel on the post player first......and then the second play may have never happened!!!!

[mu4scott]

(NevadaRef... my fault for not being clear about what I was trying to convey. I've always enjoyed your insights on this board. I think I came across a little rude.)

IMHO....

You have to have a whistle on the drive to the basket. From the angle we have it looks like a block to me. I don't see how you can't have a whistle one way or the other on this play.

White gets two free throws and no goaltending IMO.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

(NevadaRef... my fault for not being clear about what I was trying to convey. I've always enjoyed your insights on this board. I think I came across a little rude.)

IMHO....

You have to have a whistle on the drive to the basket. From the angle we have it looks like a block to me. I don't see how you can't have a whistle one way or the other on this play.

White gets two free throws and no goaltending IMO.

Fair enough. I didn't think that you were rude. I just didn't understand what point you were trying to make by posting the video.

In my experience anytime someone posts such a clip that person has a strong opinion about the situation and is looking to share it and get feedback from others.

Therefore, I'll give you my two cents on this play.
1. I believe that the defender established his position on the court prior to the offensive player's second foot leaving the floor (although it is impossible to tell because the official's head obscures the feet of the players). So I believe that he got there in the nick of time. Also, it is my opinion that the defender was not moving towards the opponent and thus did not initiate any of the contact. Therefore, I cannot penalize the defender on this play. I simply can't state anything that he did wrong. So I'm either calling a PC or nothing.

2. Did the amount of contact warrant a PC? Was the defender placed at a clear disadvantage by the contact?
My answers are no to both questions. The attacking player seems to slide to the side and only clip the defender's shoulder and upper body. The defender goes down trying to draw the call. The offensive player gets a bit hurt on his fall because he was at an awkward angle, but he chose to make that move and put himself in that position. I'm not giving him anything that he doesn't deserve just because he stays down.

So my thought is that the official had a poor angle as he got beat in transition, but was fortunate that nothing needed to be called on the play.

In summary even if the action looks very ugly and bodies are on the floor, I have reached a point in my officiating where I can live with no whistle being put on the play, if I truly believe that neither player did anything illegal by rule and that the amount of contact was incidental.

[Camron Rust]

It is my opinion that the defender was late to the spot and I'd agree with a block. However, as with most YouTube videos, the quality is pathetic and no easy way to go slow motion so I don't hold that opinion strongly and wouldn't argue with anyone who called nothing....defender did appear to do a little embellishment on whatever contact there was. I do not thing it was a charge, however.

[Brad]

Traveling on green post player for sure.

Blocking foul on other end and it is not even close.

Good block -- not goaltending.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Brad

Blocking foul on other end and it is not even close.

Why, Brad? Please be specific. What did the defender do that was so clearly illegal in your view?