Layups: why they don't appear in the rules??

[christianH]

I have read carefully the rules regarding travelling, dribbling and act of shooting.

I couldn't find any mention to layups.

Am I missing something?

I know layups are allowed but where are them in the Rules???





thanks

[Jurassic Referee]

NFHS rule 4-41.

[christianH]

Thanks a lot

So basically I won't find it on the FIBA Rules?

[Scrapper1]

Christian, what exactly are you looking for? Are you looking for a definition of the term "lay up"? Or are you looking for a rule that makes them legal?

As far as I know, there's no definition of the term "lay up" in any of the rulesets. A lay up is legal because of the way traveling is defined. If you pick up your dribble with one foot on the ground, that foot is your pivot foot. You are allowed by rule to step with the other foot (that's a pivot) and even to lift your pivot foot -- provided that you release the ball on a try or pass before the pivot foot returns to the floor. That's your lay up right there. Catch, step, jump, shoot. All legal.

That should all be described under pivot foot and traveling definitions, whether you're talking about FIBA or NFHS rules.

[christianH]

Thanks Scrapper. I copied an exerpt from the Rules of the meeting in April 2008 below

You are quite right. Lay ups are allowed and indirectly mentioned in the Rules on travelling ( see bold)


excerpt from :



OFFICIAL BASKETBALL RULES 2008
Rule Five - Violations
April 2008
Page 29 of 80


Art. 25 Travelling
25.1 Definition
25.1.1 Travelling is the illegal movement of one foot or both feet beyond the limits outlined
in this article, in any direction, while holding a live ball on the playing court.
25.1.2 A pivot is the legal movement in which a player who is holding a live ball on the
playing court steps once or more than once in any direction with the same foot,
while the other foot, called the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor.
25.2 Rule
25.2.1 Establishing a pivot foot for a player who catches a live ball on the playing
court:
• While standing with both feet on the floor:
▬ The moment one foot is lifted, the other foot becomes the pivot foot.
• While moving:
▬ If one foot is touching the floor, that foot becomes the pivot foot.
▬ If both feet are off the floor and the player lands on both feet simultaneous-
ly, the moment one foot is lifted, the other foot becomes the pivot foot.
▬ If both feet are off the floor and the player lands on one foot, then that foot
becomes the pivot foot. If a player jumps off that foot and comes to a stop
landing on both feet simultaneously, then neither foot is a pivot foot.
25.2.2 Progressing with the ball for a player who has established a pivot foot while
having the control of a live ball on the playing court:
• While standing with both feet on the floor:
▬ To start a dribble, the pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released
from the hand(s).


▬ To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but
neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the
hand(s).
• While moving:
▬ To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot and
land on one foot or both feet simultaneously. After that, one foot or both
feet may be lifted from the floor but neither foot may be returned to the
floor before the ball is released from the hand(s).
▬ To start a dribble, the pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released
from the hand(s).
• While coming to a stop when neither foot is the pivot foot:
▬ To start a dribble, neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released from
the hand(s).
▬ To pass or shoot for a field goal, one foot or both feet may be lifted but may
not be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the hand(s).
25.2.3 Player falling, lying or sitting on the floor:
• It is legal when a player falls and slides on the floor while holding the ball or,
while lying or sitting on the floor, gains control of the ball.
• It is a violation if the player then rolls or attempts to stand up while holding the
ball.