United States Army General hired by the NBA for referee operations

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, this really is a silly debate at the end of the day, because this is more about certain people do not like the NBA more than what is called or not.

That's how it started, then it became about whether or not traveling should be called based on advantage/disadvantage. Missing calls or seeing it differently is part of the game; we can all live with that. Deciding not to call it because no advantage is perceived or because it was "unforced" is not something most of us can agree with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's how it started, then it became about whether or not traveling should be called based on advantage/disadvantage. Missing calls or seeing it differently is part of the game; we can all live with that. Deciding not to call it because no advantage is perceived or because it was "unforced" is not something most of us can agree with.

This debate has started long before this thread. And it really has little or nothing to do with some advantage/disadvantage debate. This is about that some here think the world revolves around their thinking of the rules and how the game is called and actually it does not have anything to do with such a thing.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This debate has started long before this thread. And it really has little or nothing to do with some advantage/disadvantage debate. This is about that some here think the world revolves around their thinking of the rules and how the game is called and actually it does not have anything to do with such a thing.

Peace

I don't think anyone here takes it nearly this seriously. Maybe it's just me.

And no, Jurassic doesn't count. He's just grumpy because he has to change his license plate to something besides WTF CHUK.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't think anyone here takes it nearly this seriously. Maybe it's just me.

And no, Jurassic doesn't count. He's just grumpy because he has to change his license plate to something besides WTF CHUK.

Well you need to read all the name calling people get when someone does not agree with them. It must be serious to someone when you have to tell people not to officiate anymore because they disagree with your philosophies on the game. Then tells everyone that this is not how the game at the high school level should be called (without considering that high school is more than your little part of the country).

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This debate has started long before this thread. And it really has little or nothing to do with some advantage/disadvantage debate. This is about that some here think the world revolves around their thinking of the rules and how the game is called and actually it does not have anything to do with such a thing.

Peace

I get it. I'm wrong for getting personal...but it's OK for you to do the exact same thing.

As usual, you inject yourself into a debate and immediately start expounding on something that has got nothing to do with that debate nor has it ever been a part of that debate. I actually thought that you were getting a little better in the last few years. I was wrong. Nothing changes with you.

And, no, I am not going to get into one of those stoopid 5-page back- and-forth completely irrelevant discussions that you so dearly love either. Go play with Nevada.

As you love to point out so often yourself, if you don't like what I write, then don't read the damn posts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it. I'm wrong for getting personal...but it's OK for you to do the exact same thing.

As usual, you inject yourself into a debate and immediately start expounding on something that has got nothing to do with that debate nor has it ever been a part of that debate. I actually thought that you were getting a little better in the last few years. I was wrong. Nothing changes with you.

And, no, I am not going to get into one of those stoopid 5-page back- and-forth completely irrelevant discussions that you so dearly love either. Go play with Nevada.

As you love to point out so often yourself, if you don't like what I write, then don't read the damn posts.

I have been involved in this debate several times. And you have never answered reasonable questions to why your position is the only way to go on this subject. You just dislike the NBA (which is fine) and trying to make this discussion about what you think (which is usual) and trying to make that a larger point. You did that by attacking a fellow official here personally. I am not trying to go around and around with you and I also do not dislike the conversation. But why is your position on this topic so special and everyone else is so wrong? Where is the evidence that NBA does not call travels the same way as it is called in a high school game? Do you have some stats on how many travel calls are not called in the NBA? Do you have evidence that the NBA does not call fouls to the rules (as you earlier suggested)? At some point you should back up these claims. Is that too much to ask? I watch NBA games and I see a lot of things called several times that you claim are never called. And we have to do better than a YouTube video of one play, because the very same type of plays is shown at other levels with an obviously missed travel.

There is a difference here; I am interested in having the debate. I am not telling you how to post like others. But at some point you have told everyone that disagrees with you how wrong they are, when are you going to back it up? Or will you just admit that you really do not know what the NBA does because you do not watch it and you do not like the game. At the very least be honest about your real point of view. Or have you just bought into the hype of the media and believe what they think about the game?

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

The Official Rules of Calvinball


1.1. All players must wear a Calvinball mask (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.1). No one questions the masks (Figure 2.1).


*IMPORTANT -- The following rules are subject to be changed, amended, or dismissed by any player(s) involved.


1.2. Any player may declare a new rule at any point in the game (Figure 1.2). The player may do this audibly or silently depending on what zone (Refer to Rule 1.5) the player is in.


1.3. A player may use the Calvinball (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.2)in any way the player see fits, from causal injury to self-reward.


1.4. Any penalty legislation may be in the form of pain, embarrassment, or any other abasement the rulee deems fit to impose on his opponent.


1.5. The Calvinball Field (See Calvinball Equipment - 2.3) should consist of areas, or zones, which are governed by a set of rules declared spontaneously and inconsistently by players. Zones may be appear and disappear as often and wherever the player decides. Zones are often named for their effect. For example, a corollary zone would enable a player to make a corollary (sub-rule) to any rule that has benn, will be, or might be declared. A pernicious poem place would require the intruder to do what the name implies. Or an opposite zone would enable a player to declare reverse playibility on the others. (Remember, the player would declare this zone oppositely by not declaring it.) (Figure 1.5a and 1.5b)


1.6. Flags (Calvinball Equipment 2.3) shall be named by players whom shall also assign the power and rules which shall govern that flag for particular moment in that particular game(Figure 1.6).


1.7. Songs are an integral part of Calvinball and verses must be sung spontaneously through the game when randomly assigned events occur. These random events will be named and pointed out after the player causes the event.



1.8. Score may be kept or disregarded. In the event that score is kept, it shall have no bearing on the game nor shall it have any logical consistency to it. (Legal scores include 'Q to 12', 'BW-109 to YU-34, and 'Nosebleed to Trousers'.) (Figure 1.9)


1.9. Any rule above that is carried out during the course of the game may never be used again in the event that it causes the same result as a previous game. Calvinball games may never be played the same way twice (Figure 1.9)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

The Official Rules of Calvinball.

[Back In The Saddle]

Would that be the referee, the one in stripes?

[Adam]

I can just see it now.

Coach, during a throwin: "He traveled, he traveled. He can't jump up and down like that."
Ref: "This isn't Calvinball, coach, you can't just make up your own rules as we go along."
Coach:

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's how it started, then it became about whether or not traveling should be called based on advantage/disadvantage. Missing calls or seeing it differently is part of the game; we can all live with that. Deciding not to call it because no advantage is perceived or because it was "unforced" is not something most of us can agree with.

Yup.