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Zoochy Tue Jun 24, 2008 08:44pm

Free Throws/AP arrow
 
Federation Rules:
2nd quarter has ended. Coach A comes onto the court to greet his players. As he walks past an official he starts to complain in such a way he receives 2 Technical fouls. Coach A is removed from the game. Team B has the AP arrow.
When does Team B shoot the free throws? When Team B completes the throw-in to start the 3rd quarter is the AP arrow switched?
Is the ruling different for NCAA?

JugglingReferee Tue Jun 24, 2008 08:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy
Federation Rules:
2nd quarter has ended. Coach A comes onto the court to greet his players. As he walks past an official he starts to complain in such a way he receives 2 Technical fouls. Coach A is removed from the game. Team B has the AP arrow.
When does Team B shoot the free throws? When Team B completes the throw-in to start the 3rd quarter is the AP arrow switched?
Is the ruling different for NCAA?

Fed: The 4 free throws will be taken to start the 3rd quarter, along with the subsequent throw-in. The arrow is not reversed, no matter which team it favours.

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Fed: The 4 free throws will be taken to start the 3rd quarter, along with the subsequent throw-in. The arrow is not reversed, no matter which team it favors.

Fixed it for you. He said "Fed" rules. :)

Nevadaref Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy
Federation Rules:
2nd quarter has ended. Coach A comes onto the court to greet his players. As he walks past an official he starts to complain in such a way he receives 2 Technical fouls. Coach A is removed from the game. Team B has the AP arrow.
When does Team B shoot the free throws? When Team B completes the throw-in to start the 3rd quarter is the AP arrow switched?
Is the ruling different for NCAA?

In both rule sets the 4 FTs are administered to begin the 2nd half (3rQ in NFHS) and are attempted at the basket nearest the shooting team's bench (2nd half goal).

In NFHS the arrow is not reversed as possession of the ball is part of the penalty for the T, but in NCAA the game would resume at the POI which is the AP throw-in to begin the 2nd half, so the arrow would change.

Nevadaref Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
He said "Fed" rules. :)

He also asked this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy
Is the ruling different for NCAA?


JugglingReferee Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Fixed it for you. He said "Fed" rules. :)

Did you notice that I had the "u" in another font? :p

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Did you notice that I had the "u" in another font? :p

I did notice that. It made it a bit more of a pain in a$$ to remove. ;) More characters to delete.

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
He also asked this.

Still no "u" required. ;)

JugglingReferee Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Still no "u" required. ;)

Both spellings are correct, so I will continue to include the u. :eek:

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:48pm

It's my way of venting my frustration that should really be directed at those who misuse such words as "myself," "yourself," etc. Sorry you got caught in the cross-fires of my pet peeves.

Tio Tue Jun 24, 2008 09:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy
Federation Rules:
2nd quarter has ended. Coach A comes onto the court to greet his players. As he walks past an official he starts to complain in such a way he receives 2 Technical fouls. Coach A is removed from the game. Team B has the AP arrow.
When does Team B shoot the free throws? When Team B completes the throw-in to start the 3rd quarter is the AP arrow switched?
Is the ruling different for NCAA?

NCAA ruling:

The second half will begin with 4 free throws by any Team B player penalty for the 2 Class A technical fouls (Class A will replace Direct Technical starting this season). The difference is that the ball will be put in play at the point of interruption which is the team favored by the AP arrow.

PS: Link for 2008-2009 rule changes explaining the new terminology for Technical fouls.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...oc?MOD=AJPERES

Nevadaref Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio
NCAA
PS: Link for 2008-2009 rule changes explaining the new terminology for Technical fouls.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/eb1d4509bb43b12/RulesChangesMemoMailing.doc?MOD=AJPERES

Thanks for the link to the upcoming rules changes, however that document does not say what you claim. There is nothing about new terminology (Class A or Direct) only a change in the location of the throw-in following a flagrant T in NCAAW.

Perhaps there is a different document that contains the terminology?

Zoochy Wed Jun 25, 2008 07:23am

How many 'Team Fouls' for the 2nd half. Two (2) for Federation. What about NCAA?

Dan_ref Wed Jun 25, 2008 07:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
It's my way of venting my frustration that should really be directed at those who misuse such words as "myself," "yourself," etc. Sorry you got caught in the cross-fires of my pet peeves.

Speaking for myself I appreciate the honesty and humility that yourself displays in this post.

bob jenkins Wed Jun 25, 2008 07:51am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Thanks for the link to the upcoming rules changes, however that document does not say what you claim. There is nothing about new terminology (Class A or Direct) only a change in the location of the throw-in following a flagrant T in NCAAW.

Perhaps there is a different document that contains the terminology?

There is. I was given one at camp this past weekend. This change applies to NCAAM only. (Sorry, I don't have a link.)


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