Defender intentionally falls onto hands and knees...

[PSidbury]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He didn't just pull the chair out, he stuck his leg in there to make sure the player fell.

Not quite.
I don't know if I explained it well... not that it changes the call... but the defensive player did not stick a leg out, he just fell to his hands and knees (in his space) and the offensive player backed up and toppled over the defensive player's back.

Regardless... I agree, it is unsportsmanlike and not a basketball move... and the forceful displacement should have been cleaned-up early on.

Always learning...

Thanks

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by PSidbury

Not quite.
I don't know if I explained it well... not that it changes the call... but the defensive player did not stick a leg out, he just fell to his hands and knees (in his space) and the offensive player backed up and toppled over the defensive player's back.

Regardless... I agree, it is unsportsmanlike and not a basketball move.

Thanks

Please direct me to a rule in the NFHS book which says that the defender's stance is illegal, and furthermore that it is a foul on him when the opponent backs up, causes the contact with the stationary defender, and falls over him.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PSidbury

Not quite.
I don't know if I explained it well... not that it changes the call... but the defensive player did not stick a leg out, he just fell to his hands and knees (in his space) and the offensive player backed up and toppled over the defensive player's back.

Regardless... I agree, it is unsportsmanlike and not a basketball move... and the forceful displacement should have been cleaned-up early on.

Always learning...

Thanks

My "leg out" comment was metaphorical, like the chair. My point was, if he'd just been leaning and then removed himself from the situation, it would be clean. By purposefully placing himself in the position to trip his opponent (who apparently didn't see him), I think he's engaging in a non-basketball play where the intent is clearly malicious.

That said, I missed the part where you said the defender was being pushed out of his position. JR and Nevada are right; it's clearly a PC foul. I'm not sure the justification for not calling this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

....... it's clearly a PC foul. I'm not sure the justification for not calling this.

This is a pretty common misconception, I think. Hopefully, it's mainly among only the spectators. Years ago, friends were critical of a PC call I had made against their son, and they had video of the game. Later, I saw the father and was told, "We watched the video, and that was a bad call. Nobody fell down or anything."

[Da Official]

After hearing what happened, the coach definitely has valid gripes about the lack of calls on the block and the foul on the defense player.

Live and learn.

[Adam]

Sounds to me B1 is setting a blind screen. Although I may be wrong since he didn't assume the position until after A1 got the ball.

[Tio]

I think the key item here is that a player with an obvious size and strength advantage is displacing the defender by backing him into the paint. A player that close to the basket gains a huge advantage by only displacing his defender a couple of inches. I would submit that at some point, we needed a PC foul. That possibly could have ended the behavior there, or the kid would have kept fouling and been on the bench. Either way, problem solved.

When the kid fell to his knees (which I'm sure the coach tells him to do) we definitely have a block, and possibly an intentional foul. The moral of the story is that by calling the first foul, the story doesn't continue to unfold from there.

Also, I'd be interested to hear the dialog with the coach. At some point, there needs to be a conversation why the crew is passing on the contact. A good coach is going to ask so that he can properly instruct his player on how to defend.