2 or 3 Man

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Crew of three doesn't mean the game is better officiate. So I can't agree that the customers are getting a better product because there are three stripes on the court.

What is your point? If you have a crew of 3 quality officials vs. a crew of 2 quality officials, the crew of 3 will always provide a better game. Watch the tape.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by zebraman

What is your point? If you have a crew of 3 quality officials vs. a crew of 2 quality officials, the crew of 3 will always provide a better game. Watch the tape.

I would much rather work a game with 3 quality officials. However, there's no measure to whether crew of 3 will provide a better game.... matter of fact, no one here can define what "better" is.

I've had coaches and players tell me they rather coach/play in a game with two officials only. Crew of three tends to call too many fouls/violations.

Just because there are more foul and/or violation calls, it doesn't mean the game is "better."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I would much rather work a game with 3 quality officials. However, there's no measure to whether crew of 3 will provide a better game.... matter of fact, no one here can define what "better" is.

I've had coaches and players tell me they rather coach/play in a game with two officials only. Crew of three tends to call too many fouls/violations.

Just because there are more foul and/or violation calls, it doesn't mean the game is "better."

Done generally right, it does mean the accuracy of the calls will improve and the call selection improves. It doesn't mean there are more foul calls. Even if they are, it will generally lead to a cleaner and better flowing game.

In 10-15 minutes, you can teach a good, intelligent 2-person official a poor-man's version of 3-person and you'll instantly have better coverage simply due to the smaller areas of responsibility and better angles. You do it with no live-ball rotations and only basic primary areas. They may not be the smoothest with dead ball switches and rotations but just about anything they do will work and the only people that will even know the difference would be other officials. This doesn't give you all of what 3-person has to offer but it gets you most of it.

Even full 3-person is just not THAT complicated....it is simply an elitist attitude to claim so. I think that most officials can pick it up in just a few games if they are working with partners who already know it. So, the quality you get is largely a matter of how you phase it in.

Now, if you were to look at the other angle...who that 3rd person would be, you might have a different point. Assuming your top 100 officials were working your top 50 games on any given night, you now need 150 officials to cover the same number of games. You'll have officials getting games they otherwise wouldn't be getting.

Assuming that 2 of the 3 are the same two that would have been on the game already, those two will not drop in quality with the addition of a third. The third might be a little softer but in the long run it would far better to bring in a greener official with two vets in a crew of three than with one vet in a crew of two. You'll also have younger officials getting opportunities sooner and also get veteran officials that can keep up a little longer.

3-person is generally a plus in nearly every area....but no one should let the schools get away without paying for it.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I would much rather work a game with 3 quality officials. However, there's no measure to whether crew of 3 will provide a better game.... matter of fact, no one here can define what "better" is.

I've had coaches and players tell me they rather coach/play in a game with two officials only. Crew of three tends to call too many fouls/violations.

Just because there are more foul and/or violation calls, it doesn't mean the game is "better."

Yeah, I've heard that crap from a couple coaches too. The ones who never met an off-ball foul they liked because they always watch the ball and don't teach their players how to get open without an illegal screen.

The fact is that three person, worked properly, puts officials in better positions to see plays and also allows officials to see the entire play rather than just the end of it. I don't know how you could argue that not to be better.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Crew of three doesn't mean the game is better officiate. So I can't agree that the customers are getting a better product because there are three stripes on the court.

It does if they are 3 officials who know the 3 man system.

If it's just 3 guys who only know the 2 man system then we agree, better off leaving the 3rd at home.

[ace]

if all three have an inkling of an idea - then three.

Varsity for $50.00 or less? oof - that's a tough pill to swallow.

Texas Aggie - have you been reading some of the stories in the paper about how some of these big school districts are having some $$$ with the way the stock market is going and depending on bonds to pay off debt? It's gunna be a tough year to negotiate with school districts who were already penny pinching before.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ace

if all three have an inkling of an idea - then three.

Varsity for $50.00 or less? oof - that's a tough pill to swallow.

Texas Aggie - have you been reading some of the stories in the paper about how some of these big school districts are having some $$$ with the way the stock market is going and depending on bonds to pay off debt? It's gunna be a tough year to negotiate with school districts who were already penny pinching before.

The teacher's union always seems to squeeze a nice raise and better retirement perqs out of the districts. The money is there...it is just matter of finding it.....over $200,000 in taxes is gathered for each classroom per year. The teachers are not getting most of it...but it is going somewhere.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by ajs8207

Would you guys rather:

Run a 2 man system and split the game fee two ways?

or

Run a 3 man system and split the game fee three ways?

This was brought up at our meeting last night. They are somewhat considering going to 3 man for all scholastic games and I was wondering which everyone would rather have.

3 person always anytime - no doubt. All varsity games on all levels in this area are 3 person. Also, many of the JV games are also 3 person because we are sent as one 3 person crew to do a doubleheader. What that means is that the games on the lower levels (A and AA) see more 3 person crews than do the AAA schools do. Go figure! Money and numbers of officials are the two main reasons that have given as answers, but that's a discussion for another day/thread.