NBA rule question

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So if you go to replay, you have to wipe off the final shot, obviously. But because of the bad information on the clock, you've sort of screwed them out of the chance to take a legitimate shot.

And if you don't wipe it off you screw the defense. Somebody's gonna be upset.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

One question I have is whether -- if they HAD noticed -- one of the officials could've started the clock with his PTS box on his waist.

There's still an undetermined(by rule) time lag to adjust. They'd still have to guess how much time to add. And as you said(and I agree 113%), you sureasheck can't accurately guess in tenths of a second.

They're trying to ascertain if one of the officials accidentally stopped the clock, maybe by heavy breathing through his whistle. Apparently they do have the technology to find out who actually stopped the clock. The timer says he didn't.

[Adam]

That's a very helpful reply, JR. Thanks.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's still an undetermined(by rule) time lag to adjust. They'd still have to guess how much time to add. And as you said(and I agree 113%), you sureasheck can't accurately guess in tenths of a second.

Although I agree that it may be difficult to count in tenths of a second, people certainly have the ability to differentiate between x, x.5, and x+1 seconds.

Case in point: you know that I work in TV graphics. When I evaluate system performance for 24/7 live operation, and if the HD signal blips, I can often tell to within a few frames what frame number(s) were the one(s) that hiccuped. Ya, I may have some specialty training, but it's not that difficult at all. With 30 frames per second, you can do the seconds/frame math.

Recall those plays in state finals where watching in full speed first, (hopefully) your instinct is to waive off a basket. These cases had the release 0.5 seconds or less after the buzzer.

[mcuban]

long time lurker. Couldnt resist replying

1. the rule book says the officials have final discretion to do what they think is right. So they are NOT limited in using replay if they feel it is ultimately required to do so. In this case, they must have felt their estimates precluded using replay

2. The last poster was right, with replay systems at 30fps, its easy to count frames to know time elapsed. The league just has to choose to do so.

3. the league this year decided to put red light on the scorers table so officials could see the light if the clock stopped. As an alternative to this system, the Mavs also used a buzzer that we made available for the officials to have with them. WHen the clock stops, the buzzer goes off. THe league felt this system wasnt time tested enough to use during the playoffs.

We have been raising issues about the Precision TimingSystem for years. Clock stoppage like the Orlando game happens all the time. All the time. Fortunately there is a great new tech person at the NBA and I think this will get resolved.

With the right technology, the officials should never have this problem. there will be backup to backup. Except of course in Atlanta

m

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Fortunately there is a great new tech person at the NBA and I think this will get resolved.

Unfortunately, this is him.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mcuban

long time lurker. Couldnt resist replying

1. the rule book says the officials have final discretion to do what they think is right. So they are NOT limited in using replay if they feel it is ultimately required to do so. In this case, they must have felt their estimates precluded using replay

2. The last poster was right, with replay systems at 30fps, its easy to count frames to know time elapsed. The league just has to choose to do so.

3. the league this year decided to put red light on the scorers table so officials could see the light if the clock stopped. As an alternative to this system, the Mavs also used a buzzer that we made available for the officials to have with them. WHen the clock stops, the buzzer goes off. THe league felt this system wasnt time tested enough to use during the playoffs.

We have been raising issues about the Precision TimingSystem for years. Clock stoppage like the Orlando game happens all the time. All the time. Fortunately there is a great new tech person at the NBA and I think this will get resolved.

With the right technology, the officials should never have this problem. there will be backup to backup. Except of course in Atlanta

m

Sorry Mark but i have read my NBA rule book from front to back and i see nowhere in the rule book that says what I have colored in red.

It does say that you have the power to make decisions on any point not specifically covered in the rules, and in this case it is covered. there are 6 times when you may go to the instant replay and in this case it was not one of them although i think that will be changed next yr.