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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 05:33am
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Perhaps just as further evidence that his recent declaration to forego his sophomore, junior, and senior years of college education, in favour of the NBA draft, should not be a surprise.
This was no surprise to most as we knew this when we discussed his performance and attitude at the end of last yr.

While I didn't see him play often this yr, I think he has tremendous upside and appeared fairly unselfish at times. Hopefully he's maturing and he can control himself and his posse with all his eventual $$$$.

Now, for his on and off the court behavior, who do you think he's more likely to turn out like? Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Allen Iverson, or Dennis Rodman? Only time will tell......and I wish him luck.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 04:51pm
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We've had this situation a couple of times in girls HS. For religious reasons, there were teams that had players who needed to have their legs and arms covered. State association approves on a case-by-case basis. Schools apply for a letter waiver issued by the state association. Schools affected must carry this waiver with them to show officials during pre-game.

So....we did have situations where some girls wore long sleeve undershirts and lycra-tights under their team uniforms. (The undergarments had to be same color of team uniform worn.)

On the boys side, we've had similar issues regarding headwear worn during games. We've had a situation with a young man who wore a tightly wrapped turban. Again, handled the same way as the situation above. (Cultural/religious exemptions)
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 04:57pm
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Interesting. We were told specifically that if the coach said it was religious, we were to drop it there and report it to the state after the game. Provided, of course, that there was no safety concern involved.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 05:13pm
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Interesting. We were told specifically that if the coach said it was religious, we were to drop it there and report it to the state after the game. Provided, of course, that there was no safety concern involved.
Please don't turn this into a HS thread. If you wish to discuss the NFHS rule, please start another thread. I wish this one to remain focused solely on the NCAA rule.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 05:25pm
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Please don't turn this into a HS thread. If you wish to discuss the NFHS rule, please start another thread. I wish this one to remain focused solely on the NCAA rule.
Please piss off. You aren't a moderator and it's not your job to tell anyone what or where they can post.

You're getting ridiculous lately imo, Nevada, in your bossiness.
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Old Sat Apr 12, 2008, 11:21am
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Please don't turn this into a HS thread. If you wish to discuss the NFHS rule, please start another thread. I wish this one to remain focused solely on the NCAA rule.
First of all, I was responding to a post regarding high school situations by giving my own experience. Second of all, if you want that much control, maybe you could propose a rule change to the board allowing all thread starters to be able to moderate their own threads.
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Old Sat Apr 12, 2008, 11:48am
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Second of all, if you want that much control, maybe you could propose a rule change to the board allowing all thread starters to be able to moderate their own threads.
That option already exists. If the thread-starter deletes his opening post, the whole thread will disappear. That's the ultimate moderation.
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Old Sat Apr 12, 2008, 12:18pm
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I really don't get all the angst about this long-sleeved shirt - well, at least all the angst from one person. The NCAA is the governing body. They make the rules. It is also within the scope of their power to make exceptions to those rules. That's what they did. So what's the big deal???

Here's another example...I do not allow my students to wear hats in my classroom. The kids know this and take their hats off when they come in. Last year I had a 13 year old student who had to go through chemo and radiation treatments. She lost her hair. When her mom called and asked me about wearing a hat in class, I immediately said yes. See, it's my rule and I made an exception for that particular case.

So I ask again...what is the big deal?
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2008, 05:23pm
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So....we did have situations where some girls wore long sleeve undershirts and lycra-tights under their team uniforms. (The undergarments had to be same color of team uniform worn.)
Yup, interesting. Your state made a ruling that directly contradicts NFHS rules. Casebook play 3.5.6.SitB asks if it's legal for a player because of religious reasons to wear tights under the basketball uniform shorts . The RULING states "NFHS basketball rules do not require that the uniform pants be "shorts". However, undergarments or tights may NOT may not be worn which extend below the pants, therefore wearing tights "below the uniform shorts" would be illegal. The player could wear pants or a skirt as the uniform "bottom" and be in compliance."

It's kinda interesting that a state would issue a ruling that is completely contradictory to a very explicit and definitive FED ruling. My first thought is usually to wonder if whoever issued that state ruling was actually aware of the relevant NFHS ruling. Be that as it may, they still have the right to amend rules, even though they might face FED sanctions for doing so.

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Old Sat Apr 12, 2008, 12:41am
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Yup, interesting. Your state made a ruling that directly contradicts NFHS rules. Casebook play 3.5.6.SitB asks if it's legal for a player because of religious reasons to wear tights under the basketball uniform shorts . The RULING states "NFHS basketball rules do not require that the uniform pants be "shorts". However, undergarments or tights may NOT may not be worn which extend below the pants, therefore wearing tights "below the uniform shorts" would be illegal. The player could wear pants or a skirt as the uniform "bottom" and be in compliance."

It's kinda interesting that a state would issue a ruling that is completely contradictory to a very explicit and definitive FED ruling. My first thought is usually to wonder if whoever issued that state ruling was actually aware of the relevant NFHS ruling. Be that as it may, they still have the right to amend rules, even though they might face FED sanctions for doing so.
I will tell you why that ruling was given. Is it better to follow a rule from an organization or is it better to deal with a lawsuit that the NF will never have to defend? I think staying out of a legal battle over religion is much better.

Unless the NF is going to defend every legal challenge to defend this rule then and only then I become upset over this interpretation.

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Old Sun Apr 13, 2008, 12:37pm
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COOL! IDK why you're making such a big fuss anyway. NCAA officials have told you that exceptions are made for medical conditions and you want to argue, when I'm pretty sure you don't work college basketball. Then, you start telling others what they can post. WTF is your problem?
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I doubt Candace Parker snuck on the court and all of a sudden she appears with a long-sleeved white shirt and nobody knew what was going on.
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