My only contribution to the original situation is that it could've been avoided if the Lead official had simply told the guys to knock it off before he bounced the ball to the FT shooter. Of course, since he didn't feel the delayed violation was justified (although it clearly WAS justified), it probably never entered his head to ask them to stop waving their arms. Perhaps you could've done it from the trail before the shooter was ready to let it fly. But perhaps not. I realize that's one where you have to be in the position to know if you could've said anything.

Chuck

Obviously your partner was not and is not a partner. Its OK for your partner to talk for decussion purposes because it is a good topic, but when he starts pointing fingers then he will pay in the long run. I also don't think its OK for officials to say, anyone who would not call this a violation is an idiot. Different officials have different opinions of what is a clear violation when it comes to disconcerting. Raising and lowering of the arms question, was it a rapid motion or was it slow motion or somewhere in between? This is where the judgement comes in. I would have to see the play to call this a violation. From what you say, it certainly did not look good. Fortunately, I have always been able to give a warning because it was border line. Bottom line you made the call and we are a team. For this reason i would back you 100%. I think you should get the tape and review it. I have made calls in a game and later reviewed the tape and it did not seem to be as bad as i thought when i made the call.

Ron Wilcox --

Where did you grow up? Do you know any other Ron Wilcoxes? I went to grade school with someone by that name. Could it have been you?

juulie cole downs

I grew up in Calif., no I do not know anyone else with my name, attended grade school in Solvang and Hollister.

You can remember grade school? I can't remember yesterday ;) In you "15 minutes of fame" article it said you are 49. If you can remember grade school, it must have meant 29 :D

Bart, I humbly apologize for calling anyone an idiot. It was wrong. I just got fed up with hearing the crap about officials deciding the outcome of the game. Which in my little brain means we should swallow the whistle in the last minute. This act decides the game as well by not calling what we are charged to call based on the rules we are given.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dblref

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You can remember grade school? I can't remember yesterday ;) In you "15 minutes of fame" article it said you are 49. If you can remember grade school, it must have meant 29 :D

Actually, (let's be completely honest here) it says 45. I'm willing to own them all, but not any more!

Ron -- okay, well, now you know that another Ron Wilcox at least used to exist. I haven't heard news about him for years and years. He (and I) grew up in Portland in the sixties.

Now we know who Mr. Spelling is on the McGriff board! :p

NOT GUILTY, I SWEAR!!
 

Not true, Tony! I didn't correct it b/c of the spelling, but b/c the way you typed it was exactly the opposite of what you meant. The original poster thought you meant that he was "4th year ref". When you tried to assure him that's NOT what you meant, you actually said that you WERE talking about him. I just found that humorous. Maybe I'm "Mr. Context" or "Mr. Opposite" or something. My daughter just calls me "The Dork", which is actually pretty close to the mark. :D

Chuck

If I am lead on this play. I very STRONGLY tell the guy waving his arms to stop. If he ignores me, I definitely
have a disconcertion.
When howler monkey goes nuts, at least I can say the player was warned and chose to ignore it.:P
I might even get the ball back from the shooter and make a general announcement to the lane to knock it off.
Whether the waving cause the miss is debateable because of the pressure situation anyway.
Sorry that your partner was a jerk. You would hope that officials working playoffs would have respect (and confidence) for each others abilitites and support decisions made.
Your partner sounds like someone I wouldn't want to work with in a close game because it doesn't appear that he can make a tough call when needs be.
Stick by your guns, don't let his negative comments to others get you down.
"Never ever let anyone or anything destroy your belief in yourself or your abilities."

In a case such as this I have blown my whistle stepped into the lane and told the players to knock off the crap and then readminister the ball for the free throw.
IMO there is no place for this as it is a "Free Throw".

Re: NOT GUILTY, I SWEAR!!
 

Just yankin' your chain, Chuck. :)

I think my typing gets worse, the more I post on these boards! :)

To everyone else:

Yes, the thing to do would be to step in and put a stop to it. Unfortuantely, camaulds' partner ignored the whole sitch. That's the problem. Once the deed is done, there's no choice, except to do what cam did.

Actually, it's usually me.

No - wait - I'm Mr. Grammar Guy and his variants.

Actually, it's usually me.

No - wait - I'm Mr. Grammar Guy and his variants. [/B][/QUOTE]

Confession. It's good for the soul. ;)

Confession. It's good for the soul. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

I figured that I correct grammar on here so much that people would figure out who I was on McGriff.