UNC/Kansas

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

The trouble he has had in the past couldn't be a reason he ended up at K-state then huh? My guess is that if he'd had a ball in his hands and on the court somewhere he would never have had any trouble to begin with. Seems as tho the one's who are the most athletically gifted never want to work as hard.

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything else, Nate, it's obvious you don't want to believe that Beasley's relationship with Dalonte Hill was tight enough to be the deciding factor in where Beasley attended school, and it's also obvious that regardless of how hard Beasley actually works in and out of practice, you will regard him as someone who "never wants to work as hard."

I'd just encourage you to lose the attitude that is so apparent in your posts that when a player chooses to attend a school other than UNC or Duke or KU or UCLA that it must be because that player wasn't actually recruited by those schools, rather than that player simply deciding he wanted to go somewhere else instead - for whatever reason.

Recruiting is a strange deal. Sometimes the best players don't want to attend a traditional power school. "Aw shucks" Roy isn't the right coach for everyone. Every once in a while, a school you wouldn't suspect makes the right connection with a super-talented kid and UNC loses out on a recruit they wanted.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything else, Nate, it's obvious you don't want to believe that Beasley's relationship with Dalonte Hill was tight enough to be the deciding factor in where Beasley attended school, and it's also obvious that regardless of how hard Beasley actually works in and out of practice, you will regard him as someone who "never wants to work as hard."

I'd just encourage you to lose the attitude that is so apparent in your posts that when a player chooses to attend a school other than UNC or Duke or KU or UCLA that it must be because that player wasn't actually recruited by those schools, rather than that player simply deciding he wanted to go somewhere else instead - for whatever reason.

Recruiting is a strange deal. Sometimes the best players don't want to attend a traditional power school. "Aw shucks" Roy isn't the right coach for everyone. Every once in a while, a school you wouldn't suspect makes the right connection with a super-talented kid and UNC loses out on a recruit they wanted.

Jdw, I understand the recuiting process well. I'm actually very involved in that process right now. I'm an used-to-be official, turned coach. I'd encourage you to open your eyes and understand that theirs a lot more that MOST coaches look at other than talent. I can't say this for fact, but I'd bet money that that the first thing that "the powerhouses" saw or thought when they heard the name Beasley were....1)High School trouble..to the point of jumping around to different school to play ball. 2)Big risk--when's the last time you heard of any problem kids on the list you provided above...there's a reason...they don't pursue these types. I do agree that some kids want to go to other schools; however not usually the Beasley types, that is the super talented ones. Some kids fall through the cracks, Stephen Curry. The knock on him was that he was too small (height and strength). Looks who's laughing now. Just like someone said at the beginning of this thread, he all but begged VT to give him some help. They didn't and he fell to Davidson. I'd hardly call VT a powerhouse...lol. 3)The point you don't want to admit, the intelligence level. Beasley clearly fits the MO. This is not the type of kid they want. Everyone under the sun including the K-State coach knew he was "one and done." Keep him outta trouble for one year, gain some pub for the school. Heck, they will likely produce the #1 overall pick in the NBA draft. Not many schools can say that. ....LOL...not sure they will in 5 years.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Everyone under the sun including the K-State coach knew he was "one and done." Keep him outta trouble for one year, gain some pub for the school.

Finally.....

Finally someone cuts through the bullsh!t and tells it the way that it is. The universities rent these kids for a year. And if you don't think that the word "rent" is appropriate, then you're a heckuva lot more naive than I think you are. The universities provide a stage for the kid to hone his talent a little while showing it off to future employers. The player provides the basketball-playing acumen to justify his rental. Both sides win. Anyone that thinks that actual academics play any kind of role in this process is a complete doofus imo.

T'is the system.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Anyone that thinks that actual academics play any kind of role in this process is a complete doofus imo.

This is probably true for the 99.9% of the "one and done" "student" athletes.

But who would have thought that a future first round draft pick of the Charlotte Bobcats would both prepare his talents for the NBA, as well as preparing his academic credentials for a life after basketball:

Emeka Okafor, the son of Nigerian immigrants, is known for not only being a good basketball player but also for being an elite student. His major at UConn was finance, and he graduated with honors after three years in May 2004 with a 3.8 GPA. One of his last courses at UConn was an honors-level finance course where students were allowed to make investment decisions for a small portion of UConn's endowment. Okafor was named the Academic All-American of the Year in 2004 for his work on and off the court.

There are some young men out there who take full advantage of the opportunities that a college scholarship offers to them. How many are in the "one and done" category, few, probably not any, but maybe one, or two, have the maturity, probably taught to them by their parents, to take advantage of one free year of academics, as well as a prep year for the NBA?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is probably true for the 99.9% of the "one and done" "student" athletes.

Billy, I was only talking about the "one and done" athletes. No one else. Btw, I can't call 'em "students" without laughing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

The apostrophe goes before the T.

Only in The Magical And Mythical Land Of College And Above.........and even there it doesn't apply until the fourth year.

We are not worthy......


I know that it is only a dream, but I can still hope and pray that some day I will attain your wisdom and knowledge.

[Adam]

It may have more to do with a preponderance of junior colleges in SOCAL than anything else.

Just sayin'.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by socalreff

A plethora of schools but a plethora of officials, as well.

I notice that you didn't say "a plethora of GOOD officials."

Just saying...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

You keep talking about the "mythical land." It exists I tell ya.
If you asked around SoCal you would know that in 2007 an official got hired in D1 after officiating high school for 3 years and another after 5 years. I know of at least 5 more that got hired for JC last year after working for 3 or 4 years. But, whatever.....

How many years did you personally officiate before you made D1 ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

Not 2 years. And not 15. Wait, are we assuming I made D1 ball?

Aren't you a D1 official? Or is there some compelling reason for not saying?

Actually, I'm assuming that you're a fairly new official that (a) isn't very rules knowledgeable but tries to cover it up with a pile of bafflegab (b) might do a few JC or D3 games solely because of availability for the plethora of games, and (3) hasn't attained a solid high school varsity schedule yet-one where he get state playoff games assigned.

I'd bet that my prediction is closer than what you claim.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I was working playoffs after 3 years, as well, and have worked the State semifinals.

I probably averaged 600-700 games per year my first 7 years.

Is there any special reason that you won't confirm that you actually are a D1 official?

Also, by your own admission, "I will post inaccurate info to get responses", how do we know that your post above is truthful? How do we know when ANY of your posts are truthful?

You worked almost 5000 games in your first seven years? ALMOST FIVE THOUSAND GAMES? IN SEVEN YEARS? OK.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I probably averaged 600-700 games per year my first 7 years.

Are you serious or is this just more discussion-provoking?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I probably averaged 600-700 games per year my first 7 years.

Where? On your Nintendo?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by socalreff

I probably averaged 600-700 games per year my first 7 years.

Two words: Diminishing returns.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by socalreff

The apostrophe goes before the T.

This may be the most valuable contribution you've made to the community since you've joined us.

Keep up the good work... now just try & apply it to officiating basketbal.