UNC/Kansas

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If you think that, then that's you're problem. I haven't read or heard anyone say that. There's no hype regarding his work ethic. You simply have no idea WTF you're talking about.

I actually have heard that, from his coach. He compared his focus and intensity to Michael Jordan's.

Here's what I could find on the fly:

"He does the same thing in practice every day," Williams said. "The young man is the most driven, most focused youngster I've ever seen in my life to try to be the best player he can be and to help his team win," Williams said.

That's awfully high praise, considering how many great players Williams has coached. Louisville coach Rick Pitino compared Hansbrough's drive to that of the greatest players in the history of the game, even Michael Jordan. Said Pitino, "Certainly, he doesn't have all of those skills of those superstars. But, just like shooting, rebounding, playing defense and passing are skills, working hard is an acquired skill."

The quote I heard from Williams actually mentioned Jordan directly.

[BktBallRef]

Where did jdw, or whatever the hell his name, is comment about anything Coach Williams said? He wrote, "I think most people are actually frustrated with the excessive media coverage of him - not because he's not good, but because some in the media have made him out to be so much more than he is. He had an excellent year and should be congratulated, but to listen to some you'd think he's the hardest working, most competitive guy to ever grace the college scene by a long shot. I just don't buy into that hype."

Even though coaches will always brag on their kids, I would expect Coach Williams to know more about Hansbrough than jdw. Even I know that Jordan is one of the most competitive players to ever play the game. But I also know he did not work as hard in college as Hansbrough does. Michael's talent was much more God given. Tyler has had to work harder for his.

All this stuff about Hansbrough and the NBA is bu11$hit. Even NBA scouts don't agree on how effective he will be. To illustrate, how many D-1 coaches passed Stephen Curry?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Where did jdw, or whatever the hell his name, is comment about anything Coach Williams said? He wrote, "I think most people are actually frustrated with the excessive media coverage of him - not because he's not good, but because some in the media have made him out to be so much more than he is. He had an excellent year and should be congratulated, but to listen to some you'd think he's the hardest working, most competitive guy to ever grace the college scene by a long shot. I just don't buy into that hype."

Even though coaches will always brag on their kids, I would expect Coach Williams to know more about Hansbrough than jdw. Even I know that Jordan is one of the most competitive players to ever play the game. But I also know he did not work as hard in college as Hansbrough does. Michael's talent was much more God given. Tyler has had to work harder for his.

All this stuff about Hansbrough and the NBA is bu11$hit. Even NBA scouts don't agree on how effective he will be. To illustrate, how many D-1 coaches passed Stephen Curry?

Wow, pretty fired up BktBallRef. All I was saying is that the media coverage has been excessive in covering his work ethic and desire. I said earlier, I really like Hansbrough, believe he deserved POY honors, and enjoy watching him play.

But, if you don't believe his "work ethic" and "want-to" have been hiped to an extreme, I guess we've been watching different TV. I think it's what makes his critics more passionate than they would be otherwise.

[BktBallRef]

The people who are running their mouths aren't critics, they're ABC'ers. That's why they're critical of him.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Wow, pretty fired up BktBallRef. All I was saying is that the media coverage has been excessive in covering his work ethic and desire. I said earlier, I really like Hansbrough, believe he deserved POY honors, and enjoy watching him play.

But, if you don't believe his "work ethic" and "want-to" have been hiped to an extreme, I guess we've been watching different TV. I think it's what makes his critics more passionate than they would be otherwise.

This is where I will agree and disagree. Tyler's work ethic has been broadcast a lot. Now, your a smart guy. Let's think about how many excellent players that Coach Williams has coached...a bunch. I don't think he is going to make up things about Tyler's work ethic that are not true. He had a kid on the 05 team, Rashad McCants, that was one of the most talented offensive players to play at UNC and you didn't hear Roy say anything about him, other than he didn't apply himself enough. You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic. Beasley has talent..a trait that will take him a long way...but until he learns to develop that work ethic he will be no more than a middle of the road NBA player. The point I'm making about Tyler is that his work ethic, as commented on by Pitino, is like few that have ever played the game. That alone will lead to a productive career and big bucks. I heard a comment from Roy that last year when he set his career high in scoring (i think agains GT), it was a Friday or Saturday game in which he scored 42 points, that Tyler was up and in the gym by 7am by himself and worked on his game for about 2 hrs.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic.

I'm not sure I should wade back into this thread, but I will to say two things: one, I think Hansbrough obviously has an incredible work ethic and drive. Absolutely agree. Is it the best the game has ever seen? Doubt it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work really hard. Are there other guys out there up at 7 am in the gym on game day? Yes. Are there other, lesser-talented guys that work really hard and hustle like Tyler? I think probably so.

That said, he's done great things this year and deserves his awards. My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.

As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

1) My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.
2) As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

Can you represent me in court if needed?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

You couldn't be further from the truth. Nate said:

You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic.

I was simply responding that yes, in fact, Beasley's coach does talk about his work ethic, and in a positive way at that.

Doesn't make the coach's statement true or false, but it certainly makes Nate's statement false.

Would I try to make the arguement that Beasley works as hard as Hansbrough? Nope. But he may. He didn't get as good as he is by accident, so he's obviously worked hard on his game.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I'm not sure I should wade back into this thread, but I will to say two things: one, I think Hansbrough obviously has an incredible work ethic and drive. Absolutely agree. Is it the best the game has ever seen? Doubt it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work really hard. Are there other guys out there up at 7 am in the gym on game day? Yes. Are there other, lesser-talented guys that work really hard and hustle like Tyler? I think probably so.

That said, he's done great things this year and deserves his awards. My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.

As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

Two things. First, Hansborogh's career high game came on a Saturday night. He was in the gym at 7am the next morning, by himself, like I said already. That's dedication. Are there others who work as hard as Tyler?? Probably a few, but I'd say that most that work as hard as he does aren't A) as talented B) in college. You don't find many that are as good as he is, that work as hard as he does.

As for Beasley, I'm sure he does exactly like Coach Martin says....he shows up and works really hard IN PRACTICE. There are several thousand kids that do this. I can go to my local Division III college and see a bunch of kids working their asses off in practice. I don't think that's what Pitino, Williams, or anyone else is referring to.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

...To illustrate, how many D-1 coaches passed Stephen Curry?

Curry was all but begging to go to Virginia Tech and Greenburg didn't want him.