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Johnny Ringo Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:35am

legal play? or Not?
 
A1 is dribbling then picks up dribble and throws a pass from top of the key to A2, who is in the paint and is not looking ... the ball is a little high - strikes the backboard (only) and bounces straight back and is caught by A1 who proceeds to dribble in and shoot a layup.

violation or not?

just another ref Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:45am

no violation

Johnny Ringo Tue Mar 25, 2008 01:03am

OK ... can you say why this is legal?

Camron Rust Tue Mar 25, 2008 02:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
OK ... can you say why this is legal?

Because the book says so! :)

Seriously, the reason why is not real clear but the presumption is that if the ball hits the board, it is, for the purposes of whether a player gets another dribble, considered a shot.

CoachP Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Because the book says so! :)

Seriously, the reason why is not real clear but the presumption is that if the ball hits the board, it is, for the purposes of whether a player gets another dribble, considered a shot.

And the presumption that the ball is in A's frontcourt.

Johnny Ringo Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:15pm

Can A1 end a dribble - throw it off th backboard, be the first to touch again and start a new dribble?

Nagy0716 Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:22pm

yes, any attempted shot, he can dribble it

jdw3018 Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
Can A1 end a dribble - throw it off th backboard, be the first to touch again and start a new dribble?

Yes, for exactly the same reason Camron mentioned.

Nagy0716 Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:29pm

im new to this site and wondering how u make a thread? thanks

Johnny Ringo Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:36pm

But, what if it's not an attempted shot.

So, I guess what you are saying is that any time you strike the backboard with the ball it is a shot?

jdw3018 Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
But, what if it's not an attempted shot.

So, I guess what you are saying is that any time you strike the backboard with the ball it is a shot?

That is the interpretation. Any time the ball strikes a player's backboard, it is to be treated as a shot attempt.

Nagy0716 Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:40pm

i mean that is one of the times u use your "discrestion"...

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:52pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
So, I guess what you are saying is that any time you strike the backboard with the ball it is a shot?

How can you possibly be 100% sure it <b>isn't</b> a shot?

Unless you're a mind reader, there's always at least some doubt as to whether it's a shot or not. And if there's <b>any</b> doubt, we shouldn't be making a call.

Johnny Ringo Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:57pm

Let's see ... a one-handed baseball motion like throw that is followed by yelling a teammate's name who is not looking and the ball strikes the bottom left corner of the board.

Pretty confident that was not a try.

BillyMac Tue Mar 25, 2008 07:12pm

Not Sure ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
Let's see ... a one-handed baseball motion like throw that is followed by yelling a teammate's name who is not looking and the ball strikes the bottom left corner of the board. Pretty confident that was not a try.

At one time, I believe that the NFHS had us trying to distinguish between a legal try, and an alleyoop pass, both from behind the three point arc, where the alleyoop pass happend to go in. Three points for the legal try. Two point for the alleyoop. Now the NFHS allows us to credit three points in both cases. I'm not 100% sure about this. I'm positive I'll find out soon if I'm wrong.


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