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[canuckref]

Originally Posted by oldschool

As an official now I understand these are called a push or hold etc.

I work with two officials who will usually make an "over the back" and "reaching in" call a couple of times a game. I have cringed a few times working with them. I spoke with them both about the calls, their excuse: I used to be a coach!

[Nagy0716]

how do u post threads?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nagy0716

how do u post threads?

With the giant button that says, "New Thread" on the main page.

[Mark Padgett]

Here's the mechanic for a "reach" as demonstrated by Larry Craig. The signal is also valid for "over the back" and anything "flagrant".

[oldschool]

BillyMac what you stated is what every good official knows. The point of the thread is that everyone makes a joke of people using the terms over the back and reach. As stated announcers, coaches, fans all use these terms. We as officials understand what they want called but some want to make these people seem ignorant because they did not say push or hold. We are talking about terminology difference only. Some officials even suggested they would ignore such comments rather than educate these coaches about the correct words. We all know the coach means there is illegal contact from behind. Was just wondering how everyone dealt with it and M&M guy gave some good thoughts. Thanks

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by oldschool

We all know the coach means there is illegal contact from behind.

I'm quite sure we ALL don't know this. I'm quite sure that some coaches (and, to be fair, some officials) really believe (or act as if they believe) that all "over the back" is a foul and all "reach" is a foul, whether or not there is illegal contact / displacement / advantage.

[stosh]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm quite sure we ALL don't know this. I'm quite sure that some coaches (and, to be fair, some officials) really believe (or act as if they believe) that all "over the back" is a foul and all "reach" is a foul, whether or not there is illegal contact / displacement / advantage.

And if we call "over the back" and "reach" instead of "push" or "hold" the next time a player grabs a rebound from behind without causing illegal contact, or reaches in and steal the ball from an opponent without making illegal contact, some coaches will then say we're not being consistent.

Another example is the "moving pick". No illegal contact, no foul.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by oldschool

The point of the thread is that everyone makes a joke of people using the terms over the back and reach.

No, the point of the thread is to come up with quick ways to let coaches know that we, not they, call the game. That's our job. Their job is to coach, not officiate. It doesn't matter what terminology they use.

Many is the time I have said to a coach after he yelled "travel" or something similar, "We'll call the game coach". This is usually accompanied by the stop sign.