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Raymond Mon Mar 17, 2008 08:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyT
Just wondering. If you are a big time ref then why are you reffing these 5th and 6th grade girls games and rec games?
WOW!

Me, I worked Over-40 Men's Rec League games last night.

I call a foul on a veteran rec-league guy who's an asst. coach for a BV team I ref regularly.

He asks me what he did. I said "you fouled him". He asks "how?" I said "with your right hand."

Then he says to "call the game right. This isn't about you" :rolleyes:

Yeah, 7:00 games on a Sunday night for $18 is really an ego boost for me. :eek:

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 08:46am
Sounds like a T to me.

Back In The Saddle Mon Mar 17, 2008 08:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
WOW!

Me, I worked over 40 Men's Rec League games last night. :eek:
WOW! is right. My limit is 20 in a season. I can't imagine working 40+ in one night! :eek:

Raymond Mon Mar 17, 2008 09:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
WOW! is right. My limit is 20 in a season. I can't imagine working 40+ in one night! :eek:
Nice try BITS, but I noticed your little editing job on my quote. :p

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Sounds like a T to me.
Not in this situation. We were side-by-side during the free throws. I made sure I got the last word in. :D

TonyT Mon Mar 17, 2008 09:55am
I come in peace
 
My reply was a joke just like the whistle show. ( which I thought was funny by the way) Mark I don't know you but have a lot of respect for all you do, as I respect everyone who blows the whistle. I asked a honest question about a play I saw and then I am getting made fun of for a wrong word ( i will double check my posts from now on) I really enjoy this forum and reading about all of the different things that happen during a game. Now again I apologize so can we move on to what this is intended for?

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:11am
Nicely put, TonyT.

BTW, you're not the first one to misspell a word and catch hell for it. :)

I'll add that I think your OP was correct. Shouldn't blow the whistle for that, but once it's done, it's done.

socalreff Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
WOW!

Me, I worked Over-40 Men's Rec League games last night.

I call a foul on a veteran rec-league guy who's an asst. coach for a BV team I ref regularly.

He asks me what he did. I said "you fouled him". He asks "how?" I said "with your right hand."

Then he says to "call the game right. This isn't about you" :rolleyes:

Yeah, 7:00 games on a Sunday night for $18 is really an ego boost for me. :eek:
You guys need a pay raise.

fullor30 Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyT
Saw this in a game Sat. Team A has the ball and is driving for the basket and a player on team B looses his shoe, one of the officials blows his whistle and stops play, the shot goes in. OH BOY!!!! The officials have a conference and decide to give the ball back to Team A and basket doesn't count. First I don't believe the whistle should of been blown to start with ( I believe the other 2 officials knew this) But after this happened I think they did the only they could and that was give the ball back to Team A and resume play. Have any of you had this happen to you? (The shot came just after the whistle, so you can't count the basket)
"And one" , shoe that is..........:eek:

RCBSports Mon Mar 17, 2008 02:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyT
Saw this in a game Sat. Team A has the ball and is driving for the basket and a player on team B looses his shoe, one of the officials blows his whistle and stops play, the shot goes in. OH BOY!!!! The officials have a conference and decide to give the ball back to Team A and basket doesn't count. First I don't believe the whistle should of been blown to start with ( I believe the other 2 officials knew this) But after this happened I think they did the only they could and that was give the ball back to Team A and resume play. Have any of you had this happen to you? (The shot came just after the whistle, so you can't count the basket)
This too happened during a State Tourney game, but they didn't blow the ball dead. Which I am wondering, what is the ruling? If I am not mistaking, you continue play. If the basketball goes in, call a Official Time and allow the player to put the shoe back on? I will have to look this one up later on.

-Lucas

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 03:15pm
At the varsity level, let the player take responsibility and put his own shoe back on. I wouldn't blow it dead for this, even after a made basket.

Dan_ref Mon Mar 17, 2008 03:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by RCBSports
This too happened during a State Tourney game, but they didn't blow the ball dead. Which I am wondering, what is the ruling? If I am not mistaking, you continue play. If the basketball goes in, call a Official Time and allow the player to put the shoe back on? I will have to look this one up later on.

-Lucas
There's no such thing as 'official's time' (except for at the bar after the game :) ) so you can't do this.

You can blow the ball dead if there's a player safety issue but generally not while the team with the ball is attacking the basket. I've never considered an untied shoe or a missing shoe to be a safety issue. Strictly speaking this applies to seriously injured or unconscious players at the higher levels, more judgement required as the player's age and level of competition goes down.

ace Mon Mar 17, 2008 03:36pm
I wouldn't blow the whistle for this once you get to HS level. My rational: "This aint the Y or Jr. NBA Leagues anymore"

Infact in a freshman game I worked a few years ago a player lost shoe and was looking at me like "you going to blow this whistle?" I didn't pay any attention to him, and kept going. The play was over and his coach was yellin at him for not being down there. The player fired back" well the referee didn't blow the whistle when I lost my shoe." The coach looked like he was going to explode.
"WELL DUH! This is HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL, NOT THE Y!" so ever since then I've applied that line of thinking.

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 03:41pm
Let them lose out on defense a couple of times, and they'll learn how to tie their shoes.

26 Year Gap Mon Mar 17, 2008 08:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Let them lose out on defense a couple of times, and they'll learn how to tie their shoes.
And if they'd learn to use double knots, their opponents wouldn't be able to disable them while lining up for FTs.:D

BillyMac Mon Mar 17, 2008 09:17pm
Ucla ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
And if they'd learn to use double knots, their opponents wouldn't be able to disable them while lining up for FTs.
Didn't the great John Wooden show his players how to tie their shoes at their first practice? Seriously. Or is this one of those myths?


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