A player's shoe comes off during a live ball
 

Saw this in a game Sat. Team A has the ball and is driving for the basket and a player on team B looses his shoe, one of the officials blows his whistle and stops play, the shot goes in. OH BOY!!!! The officials have a conference and decide to give the ball back to Team A and basket doesn't count. First I don't believe the whistle should of been blown to start with ( I believe the other 2 officials knew this) But after this happened I think they did the only they could and that was give the ball back to Team A and resume play. Have any of you had this happen to you? (The shot came just after the whistle, so you can't count the basket)

That is an IWCOA. [Inadvertent Whistle Chewing Out After}

I went to a whistle show once. It had dancing whistles and some of them even took their lanyards off! :eek:

If it included any of these, I think I saw the same show.
http://slpaccessories.com/cart/images/SlideWhistles.jpg

Thanks I edited the post
 

Just wondering. If you are a big time ref then why are you reffing these 5th and 6th grade girls games and rec games?

This outghta be good. I'll keep you out of my ignore file for now so I can see how you handle the sh1tstorm I expect this will start.

So 5th and 6th grade girls games and rec games are two different things? Huh?

And, just to satisfy your misplaced curiosity, I've been on the board of our local kids rec league for over 15 years and I personally kept it from folding twice, once due to lack of funds and the other time due to lack of volunteers. I take my relationship with this league very seriously. It's just one of the many community volunteer efforts with which I'm associated.

BTW - keep it light. You're in the big leagues here. We only get "personal" with fanboys.

But once quoted, it's etched in stone. You have to edit pretty quickly around here.

Just wondering. Are you also a "big time ref" or is this some kind of hero worship thing?

It's The Game, It's The Players ...
 

I've been on our local IAABO board for twenty-seven years, working varsity high school games for over twenty of those twenty-seven years. Although I've never worked a state tournament game, I have worked conference tournament games, including conference tournament finals.

I also work in a Catholic school league, that includes boys, and girls, from the lower grades through eighth grade. Games on weeknights involve the older players. Games on weekends involve only younger players.

This past Friday, my supervisor let me leave work two hours early, and lose two hours pay, to work a Special Olympics Unified Games tournament, for free. I worked five games, and two involved kids playing in wheelchairs, being pushed by high school volunteer partners. I didn't make any calls, other than out of bounds all afternoon, not a foul, not a travel, not an illegal dribble, but I felt appreciated, not a single critical comment about my calls, or lack of, by players, coaches, and fans. I don't ask my supervisor to leave work early to do varsity games, but I do every year for this tournament.

So, here I am, a pretty good high school varsity official, working a game with fourth and fifth graders on a Sunday afternoon? Why? Because I love officiating interscholastic basketball. Why should I be sitting in my Lazy-Boy watching a college, or professional, game on television, when I can be out there on the floor running up and down the floor with the kids.

I love this game. I love interacting with the players, coaches, and fans, no matter what the level. Yet I still consider myself to be a "big time" official.

Mars Blackmon (Spike Lee) said "It's gotta be the shoes." He was wrong. It's the game. It's the players.

Big time?
 

I like to consider myself a big time middle school ref. I get to work a middle school camp for our local 8th grade coach this summer. I am kind of excited about it. To me, "a game is a game" no matter what level it is.

"Big Time" Attitude
 

Amen. To those kids, that game is the most important game of the day. The officials should treat it likewise.

Quite possibly the most stupidest post this month.

TonyTravesty?
 

Sorry to disagree with you Snaqwells, but that is the stupidest post I've ever read yet on this forum! An unbelievable travesty to the officials that are part of this group. When I first started viewing this sight, I only had to read about two of Mark's posts to discern that he loves the game and kids and that's all that matters. (Same for me by the way, care less what level or gender, just love the game, glad to be a part in any way.) I never want to be a "big time" reff in TonyT's book!

Oh noes.....is he questioning your fanhood?

Barbed wire baby...all the way around.:D

WOW!

Me, I worked Over-40 Men's Rec League games last night.

I call a foul on a veteran rec-league guy who's an asst. coach for a BV team I ref regularly.

He asks me what he did. I said "you fouled him". He asks "how?" I said "with your right hand."

Then he says to "call the game right. This isn't about you" :rolleyes:

Yeah, 7:00 games on a Sunday night for $18 is really an ego boost for me. :eek:

Sounds like a T to me.

WOW! is right. My limit is 20 in a season. I can't imagine working 40+ in one night! :eek:

Nice try BITS, but I noticed your little editing job on my quote. :p

Not in this situation. We were side-by-side during the free throws. I made sure I got the last word in. :D

I come in peace
 

My reply was a joke just like the whistle show. ( which I thought was funny by the way) Mark I don't know you but have a lot of respect for all you do, as I respect everyone who blows the whistle. I asked a honest question about a play I saw and then I am getting made fun of for a wrong word ( i will double check my posts from now on) I really enjoy this forum and reading about all of the different things that happen during a game. Now again I apologize so can we move on to what this is intended for?

Nicely put, TonyT.

BTW, you're not the first one to misspell a word and catch hell for it. :)

I'll add that I think your OP was correct. Shouldn't blow the whistle for that, but once it's done, it's done.

You guys need a pay raise.

"And one" , shoe that is..........:eek:

This too happened during a State Tourney game, but they didn't blow the ball dead. Which I am wondering, what is the ruling? If I am not mistaking, you continue play. If the basketball goes in, call a Official Time and allow the player to put the shoe back on? I will have to look this one up later on.

-Lucas

At the varsity level, let the player take responsibility and put his own shoe back on. I wouldn't blow it dead for this, even after a made basket.

There's no such thing as 'official's time' (except for at the bar after the game :) ) so you can't do this.

You can blow the ball dead if there's a player safety issue but generally not while the team with the ball is attacking the basket. I've never considered an untied shoe or a missing shoe to be a safety issue. Strictly speaking this applies to seriously injured or unconscious players at the higher levels, more judgement required as the player's age and level of competition goes down.

I wouldn't blow the whistle for this once you get to HS level. My rational: "This aint the Y or Jr. NBA Leagues anymore"

Infact in a freshman game I worked a few years ago a player lost shoe and was looking at me like "you going to blow this whistle?" I didn't pay any attention to him, and kept going. The play was over and his coach was yellin at him for not being down there. The player fired back" well the referee didn't blow the whistle when I lost my shoe." The coach looked like he was going to explode.
"WELL DUH! This is HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL, NOT THE Y!" so ever since then I've applied that line of thinking.

Let them lose out on defense a couple of times, and they'll learn how to tie their shoes.

And if they'd learn to use double knots, their opponents wouldn't be able to disable them while lining up for FTs.:D

Ucla ...
 

Didn't the great John Wooden show his players how to tie their shoes at their first practice? Seriously. Or is this one of those myths?

And how to put their socks on(to prevent blisters), IMS. I've heard that, too, from the idiot red-head if I remember correctly.

FWIW, There was a video bulletin this year for NCAAW regarding this type of situation, and the directive was to allow play to continue until a team is granted a timeout.

What if there's a foul? Or a violation? ;)

In the first half of a D3 game this year, a defensive player says to me, "Ref, my shoe's untied!" during the play. I'm C, bench side, so I hear it and his coach hears it. The coach says, "That's a safety issue! You gotta blow the whistle!" I just said, "Not while they're on offense, Coach."

Offense takes a shot, defensive rebound, outlet pass, TWEET! Kid says, "You takin' away a fast break?" I said, "It's a safety issue."

I didn't say, "Don't try to screw around with me again."