Technical foul or not?

Josh Ovens · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 01:25pm

i have recently heard that if a coach requests a time out for a correctable error situation, and the error is not correctable, or there was no error, that he is charge a full time out. ive heard a technical foul is assessed to the team if he doesnt have a full time out, and it doesnt matter if he has a 30 second time out or not. is this true?

Mark Padgett · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 02:10pm

This was just covered in Referee Magazine and the ruling is that he gets charged with a 30 if he has one, but if not, it's a T.

Slider · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 02:35pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
This was just covered in Referee Magazine and the ruling is that he gets charged with a 30 if he has one, but if not, it's a T.

I disagree with the ruling if using NFHS; this should be a T by everything I have seen on this issue.

The coach should know his TO situation, and hoard those precious tools.

What references did they give?

rockyroad · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 03:00pm

Rule 5-8-4 says nothing about the time-out request having to be a full time-out...what rule would you use to say the coach can't use a 30 for a correctable error conference???

Jurassic Referee · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 03:24pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Rule 5-8-4 says nothing about the time-out request having to be a full time-out...what rule would you use to say the coach can't use a 30 for a correctable error conference???

R5-11-3 and Casebook 5-8-4.

Slider · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 03:31pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Rule 5-8-4 says nothing about the time-out request having to be a full time-out...what rule would you use to say the coach can't use a 30 for a correctable error conference???

5-11-3 only says 60.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 03:42pm

In the play in the original posting, a full time-out is charged to the team. If no full time-outs are left then a thirty second time-out is charged to the team. If the team has no time-outs left, then it is charged with at technical foul for requesting an excess time-out. This is the same for both NFHS and NCAA.

Slider · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 04:00pm

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
In the play in the original posting, a full time-out is charged to the team. If no full time-outs are left then a thirty second time-out is charged to the team. If the team has no time-outs left, then it is charged with at technical foul for requesting an excess time-out. This is the same for both NFHS and NCAA.

Do you have a reference for this Mark?

bob jenkins · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 27, 2002, 05:35pm

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Originally posted by Slider

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
In the play in the original posting, a full time-out is charged to the team. If no full time-outs are left then a thirty second time-out is charged to the team. If the team has no time-outs left, then it is charged with at technical foul for requesting an excess time-out. This is the same for both NFHS and NCAA.

Do you have a reference for this Mark?

Asking for an error to be corrected is the same as asking for a 60-second TO. If the team doesn't have a full, grant the 30.

The difference would be in what to do with remaining time after the error is resolved. If it was a full TO, the team can use the rest of the minute as a TO. If it was a 30-second TO, they can only use what's left of that.