Len Elmore STFU Please

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

With all that said... both feet in the FC, (before??) he picked up dribble to make pass, moved foot back into the BC. When you say before he picked up the dribble was he dribbling or gathered the ball to pass? When the foot went into the BC did he dribble one more time then gather to pass? I'm confused with the before he picked up the dribble to make a pass statement. If I picture it correctly he was picking up the dribble to make the pass, then moved a foot back into the BC, then the dribble ended and it would be a violation because all three points are in the FC.

What I saw (several times) was both feet crossed into FC. Last dribble was in BC. He picked up the dribble, then pivoted and stepped into BC, then passed.
I saw it as a violation, but it happened very quickly and was an easy one to miss.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

2. Picks up dribble. Thus all three are now in front court (unless Pivot foot was on division line)

This is the only thing I see wrong with your description. When he picks up the dribble, three points is no longer a consideration. The only question is whether his pivot foot was touching the division line. I agree that it was not when the dribble ended, but it may have touched when he pivoted. I don't think that there was any doubt that the other foot touched in BC well before he released the pass.

[gslefeb]

just another ref:

Correct regarding point #2.

The only way (IMO) that it is a no call is IF the foot was always touching the division line.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

just another ref:

Correct regarding point #2.

The only way (IMO) that it is a no call is IF the foot was always touching the division line.

agree

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JHamp

I'm not sure if your referring to the same play or not but the one they were arguing about was when Paulus was dribbling, both feet went into the fc, but he remained dribbling in the bc. How is this a bc violation??

Both feet were in the FC.

He last dribled the ball in the BC.

He then caught the ball while standing with both feet still in the FC.

He then stepped into the BC.

BC violation.

Originally Posted by WIRef

I saw this play as it happened, and then several times on the replay. My view was that the ball stayed in the backcourt while both feet went to the front-court, and before he picked up the dribble to make the pass, he moved a foot back into the backcourt. Thus, there was never front-court status. I believe the refs made the right call.

That would be incorrect. When he ended his dribble by catching the ball, both feet were in the FC. The ball is now in the FC. He then stepped into the BC.

[BktBallRef]

BTW, I only watched the game for about 5 minutes but they missed another call that really surprised me.

Gerald Henderson jumped to save the ball from going OOB. His right foot made contact with the press table. Pretty obvious I thought. He then passed the ball to a teammate. Mike Wood was standing 10' away but missed it.

[JHamp]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

BTW, I only watched the game for about 5 minutes but they missed another call that really surprised me.

Gerald Henderson jumped to save the ball from going OOB. His right foot made contact with the press table. Pretty obvious I thought. He then passed the ball to a teammate. Mike Wood was standing 10' away but missed it.

I completely agree. I saw that live, at game speed, with a bad camera angle, I'm not sure how the official missed it.