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Old Mon Feb 25, 2008, 02:36pm
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The coach was the coach of the white team.

If you see right after the foul you see a player on the left stand up.. wearing a white jersey.
Good thought, but I'm not sure that's a bench player. He's just wearing a t-shirt, not a uniform jersey. You could very well be correct, but it might be a fan behind the bench.
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Old Mon Feb 25, 2008, 02:44pm
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Good thought, but I'm not sure that's a bench player. He's just wearing a t-shirt, not a uniform jersey. You could very well be correct, but it might be a fan behind the bench.
Could also be a warm-up top. Two people to the right of the white shirt dood could be assistant coaches, in suits. But what about the one to his left. That would be an unusual place for an assistant.
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Old Mon Feb 25, 2008, 02:58pm
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Doesn't matter if the ball is dead or not, an intentional, technical or disqualifying fouls are allways reported no matter of the status of the ball.
If the T is on offensive coach then we have 2 FT for defense, then 3 FT for offense then a throw-in opposite table for offensive team.
If the T is on the defensive coach we first have 2 shoots by any player, then 3 3 by the player who got fouled and then throw-in opposite the table.
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Old Mon Feb 25, 2008, 03:42pm
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If the T is on offensive coach then we have 2 FT for defense, then 3 FT for offense then a throw-in opposite table for offensive team.
I'm not familiar with FIBA rules, so could you explain why you'd have 3 free throws on a dead ball foul? Or maybe you're saying that the ball would not be dead? But I don't see how that could be. . . I'm not doubting you at all, I just am curious about the rationale for it. Thanks.
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Old Tue Feb 26, 2008, 02:43pm
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I'm not familiar with FIBA rules, so could you explain why you'd have 3 free throws on a dead ball foul? Or maybe you're saying that the ball would not be dead? But I don't see how that could be. . . I'm not doubting you at all, I just am curious about the rationale for it. Thanks.
Becuse even though this is a dead ball, the foul is unsportmanlike. An U-foul can be called at any time (this contact could be deamed disqualifying however the penalty is the same). This means that no matter if the ball is dead or not this is an unsportsmanlike foul towards a shooter in motion. Since he is shooting for 3 he also gets 3 shots (since he missed).
Art. 36 Unsportsmanlike foul
36.1 Definition
36.1.1 An unsportsmanlike foul is a player contact foul which, in the judgement of the official, is not a legitimate attempt to directly play the ball within the spirit and intent of the rules.
36.2 Penalty
36.2.1 An unsportsmanlike foul shall be charged against the offender.
36.2.2 Free throw(s) shall be awarded to the player who was fouled, followed by:
• A throw-in at the centre line extended, opposite the scorer’s table.
• A jump ball at the centre circle to begin the first period.
The number of free throws shall be as follows:
• If the foul is committed on a player not in the act of shooting: two (2) free throws will be awarded.
• If the foul is committed on a player in the act of shooting: the goal, if made, shall count and, in addition, one (1) free throw will be awarded.
• If the foul is committed on a player in the act of shooting who fails to score: two (2) or three (3) free throws will be awarded.

I can't give you a good case for this becuse I can't find one, how ever, the key is that if there is a dead ball and there is a continious play like in this video. You ignore personal fouls due to the dead ball, but if the foul is a T, U or D then you must call it. Therefore this is an unsportmanlike foul charged on the defence, the player who were fouled will attempt 3 FT's for this foul since he was trying for 3 points.
I can't find the rules quote regarding dead ball fouls either I'm afraid... I'll keep looking though
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Old Tue Feb 26, 2008, 09:44pm
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Everything that crazyvoyager just posted above is for FIBA and does NOT apply to NFHS or NCAA. Those rules are completely different. So for any NFHS or NCAA officials, we must ignore everything that he wrote. Doesn't mean that he is wrong, he's just working under a different system.

For starters the contact foul would NOT be an unsporting foul in NFHS play. By definition an unsporting foul is a noncontact foul under NFHS rules.

Secondly, once the ball is dead a try for goal cannot be started. Therefore, the contact could only be deemed an intentional technical foul or a flagrant technical foul and would result in only 2 FTs.

Lastly to answer Camron's question, I believe that only an incompetent official would deem this action a common foul. It is clearly excessive contact.
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