Please Help!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sorry if I wasn't very clear. Connecticut does not treat taunting as an automatic flagrant foul, but it does treat a flagrant foul as an automatic ejection for the next game, as well as what's remaining of the current game.

Also, I was referring to 4-18 Fighting, which seems to draw together unsporting acts, such as taunting, with fighting, especialy when we move into 10-3, and 10-4. Specifically, a taunt that instigates some type of retaliation, is a fight, defined by 4-18, and a fight, by Article 9 Penalty, is always flagrant.

Here in Connecticut, we have no problem calling flagrant fouls, but we're always careful to remember that the call will have ramifications beyond our game. If we use the verbiage taunt, it might also, and very often, include verbiage involving the word fight, which by Article 9 Penalty, is always flagrant. If we use the word unsporting, we can, if we chose, slide around the word fight, and simply give technical fouls that have a harsh penalty within that game; if not foul shots due to offsetting, then we will have fouls that count toward disqualification, and fouls that will count toward the bonus, or double bonus.

I try to stay away from the word taunt word unless I believe that the act is so unacceptabe that, besides the penalties that would occur in my game, the player will sit out the next game, this season, post season, or next season.

I still don't understand how taunting equates to flagrant or fighting in the OP's situation. Taunting could be sh!t talking, staring an opponent down, standing over a prone opponent in a intimidating fashion, etc. I've called a few tauting T's but none have involved a fight. However I did call a taunting foul last season and the families of the 2 players got in a fight in stands as I was reporting to the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I still don't understand how taunting equates to flagrant or fighting in the OP's situation. Taunting could be sh!t talking, staring an opponent down, standing over a prone opponent in a intimidating fashion, etc. I've called a few tauting T's but none have involved a fight. However I did call a taunting foul last season and the families of the 2 players got in a fight in stands as I was reporting to the table.

You could be right, but reread 4-18. If a taunt causes retaliation by the opponent, the original taunt must, by definition, be treated as part of the fight. The question in my mind is, does the retaliation have to be "physical" as in Article 1, or can it be a similar taunt, as in Article 2?

In any case, one thing that I know for sure, is that if the opponent relaliates with a some physical act, not even making contact, then the original taunt is treated as part of the fight, and according to the Article 9 Penalty in Rule 10, both fouls must be treated as flagrant. No choice by the official.