3 seconds

[crazy voyager]

players team in control
Ball in F/C
Player in the lane
Game clock running

[BillyMac]

The intent of the three-second rule is to not allow an offensive player to gain an advantage. There is no three-second count between the release of a shot and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three-second count during a throwin. There is no three-second count while the ball is in the backcourt. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal.

[emtp]

Had a partner last night at a district game who called two 3 second violations when the play was no where near the key and the player had nothing to do w/ the play. Ball is in the front court. Question is, and I do understand that yes it is a violation but, until she recieve's the ball or become's part of the play I may not call this because it is a play stopper and interrupts flow. Opinions

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by emtp

Had a partner last night at a district game who called two 3 second violations when the play was no where near the key and the player had nothing to do with the play. Question is, and I do understand that yes it is a violation but, until she recieve's the ball or become's part of the play I may not call this because it is a play stopper and interrupts flow. Opinions

emtp: Duck. Here it comes. Get ready. Unless you want to get your head blown off, I suggest that you go back to your original post and get rid of terms like "play stopper", and "interupts flow". Change those terms to advantage / disadvantage, and you may get some positive, or negative, feedback, but, at least, you'll probably escape with your life.

As for me, I'm choosing to sit this one out, sit back, and watch the fireworks.

Sorry about the mixed metaphors. I'm a scientist, not a writer.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

emtp: Duck. Here it comes. Get ready. As for me, I'm choosing to sit this one out, sit back, and watch the fireworks.

I'm quoting myself. I saw this coming a mile away. You may now continue.

[actuary77]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread.

I read through all the replies and I just wanted to clarify one thing. I understand all the rules about when the 3-second rule should apply (i.e. front court status, team control, allowance for shooting motion, etc.)...

Does there need to be PLAYER CONTROL for 3-seconds to be called? For example, if there is an interrupted dribble or if the ball handler loses control of the ball (but clearly still has team control since the other team hasn't gained control or the ball hasn't gone dead), should the 3-second count continue?

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Sorry to resurrect an old thread.

I read through all the replies and I just wanted to clarify one thing. I understand all the rules about when the 3-second rule should apply (i.e. front court status, team control, allowance for shooting motion, etc.)...

Does there need to be PLAYER CONTROL for 3-seconds to be called? For example, if there is an interrupted dribble or if the ball handler loses control of the ball (but clearly still has team control since the other team hasn't gained control or the ball hasn't gone dead), should the 3-second count continue?

In my training this summer I was counseled by the gray-hairs... several said they could count the 3-second calls that they had made in the last year on one hand... suggesting that it was rarely a call that they made.

I take that to heart... "White get out of there!", "42 get out!!" usually does the trick. Unresponsive? while determined to get an advantage? (see 5th grade numbskulls) OK, 3 seconds!

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anyways, the season starts, and I have several partners who are calling 3 seconds while the ball is being passed around the perimeter!! Lets segue to the "Pet Peeves" thread! Are you talking to them? Are they gaining advantage?

Bottom line, I believe that this call is often called because an official feels like they have a "gotcha!" moment. An official thinks to themselves, hey, this is a violation!

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Anyways, in regards to player control... I've asked! Player falls in the key... ball on the floor... scrum... ball is squirting around... 3 seconds?? are you kidding me? Advantage gained by being on the floor fighting for a loose ball?


I don't think so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Does there need to be PLAYER CONTROL for 3-seconds to be called? For example, if there is an interrupted dribble or if the ball handler loses control of the ball (but clearly still has team control since the other team hasn't gained control or the ball hasn't gone dead), should the 3-second count continue?

Yes it should. Team control still continues during an interupted dribble. I think that there used to be a case play, or rules clarification on this, but I can't seem to find it right now. Help???

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by actuary77

Sorry to resurrect an old thread.

I read through all the replies and I just wanted to clarify one thing. I understand all the rules about when the 3-second rule should apply (i.e. front court status, team control, allowance for shooting motion, etc.)...

Does there need to be PLAYER CONTROL for 3-seconds to be called? For example, if there is an interrupted dribble or if the ball handler loses control of the ball (but clearly still has team control since the other team hasn't gained control or the ball hasn't gone dead), should the 3-second count continue?

Yout two statements are inconsistent.

PC is not a requirement for the three-seconds call, by rule.

In practice, most officials seem to lose count during a "loose ball scrum" (and, yes, I know that's an undefined term)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by emtp

Had a partner last night at a district game who called two 3 second violations when the play was no where near the key and the player had nothing to do w/ the play. Ball is in the front court. Question is, and I do understand that yes it is a violation but, until she recieve's the ball or become's part of the play I may not call this because it is a play stopper and interrupts flow. Opinions

I dont think its our part to worry about "play stopper" or "the flow" -- of course we would love a great flowing game. However its the players and their actions that determine that, not our job.

[emtp]

Billymac, you are right verbage is everything, I should have used advantage-disadvantage. It becomes an advantage when they become part of the play, blowing my whistle then. If you don't here from me again that means I called 911, send flowers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by emtp

Ball is in the front court. Question is, and I do understand that yes it is a violation but, until she recieve's the ball or become's part of the play I may not call this because it is a play stopper and interrupts flow.

Every single time you blow your whistle, you stop play and interrupt flow. Soooooo......if you want to avoid play-stoppers and flow-interrupters, you simply should never blow your whistle. Correct?

[emtp]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Every single time you blow your whistle, you stop play and interrupt flow. Soooooo......if you want to avoid play-stoppers and flow-interrupters, you simply should never blow your whistle. Correct?

I admitted to my verbage mistake, I'm willing to take my tounge lashing but be kind about it, or not.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by emtp

I admitted to my verbage mistake, I'm willing to take my tounge lashing but be kind about it.

There's no tongue lashing involved nor was anything like that ever intended. I was just wondering about the phrases you used. They seem to be quite common lately in different forms. Maybe it's just me, but most of the time it seems that the so-called "game interrupters" being discussed are just your normal, every-day judgment calls.

Sometimes, we tend to think waaaaaay too much about some of the calls that we make imo.

[emtp]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's no tongue lashing involved nor was anything like that ever intended. I was just wondering about the phrases you used. They seem to be quite common lately in different forms. Maybe it's just me, but most of the time it seems that the so-called "game interrupters" being discussed are just your normal, every-day judgment calls.

Sometimes, we tend to think waaaaaay too much about some of the calls that we make imo.

I'm smileing and having fun, that's why I like to read this board, thanks for the reply