"And 1's"

[JoeyCrawford]

How many of you call an "And 1" and honestly wish you didnt cause there was very little contact???

How many wait to see the play develop and if they do get bumped and miss the shot and have a whistle but late?


Im just curious......

[Coltdoggs]

I have...called one today as a matter of fact...

Advantage/disadvantage is your friend!

[Scooby]

Watch the play develop and then call it. Minor contact and the ball goes in, no foul.

[ChrisSportsFan]

A patient whistle tells you 2 things: Quality Official who is having an A-day.

[JRutledge]

I agree with most statements. You cannot wait on every play or all types of contact. Sometimes you just have to blow the whistle.

Peace

[truerookie]

An airborne shooter must be protected. irregardless of the amount of contact.

[Adam]

Early in my career, I never regretted any.

Then I discovered the joys of A/D, and I find that I'm calling fewer and fewer that I end up regretting later.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Early in my career, I never regretted any.

Then I discovered the joys of A/D, and I find that I'm calling fewer and fewer that I end up regretting later.

So, are you saying you should call them when they are there but pass because you apply the A/D concept?

[inigo montoya]

MS-B game the other day, HC-A kept yelling "and one!" every time one of his guys went up for a basket. I asked him to quiet down once, but he ignored. The next time down the court, there he went with his "and one!" and this time his shooter was actually fouled on the shot, but the shot did not go in. After I reported, I asked the coach "did you just want the one foul shot or should I give your player two, since he missed?"

That was the last I heard of "and one!" for the day.

[Adam]

I'm saying that once I the idea of A/D clicked with me and I started applying it, I started getting better at it. I still occasionally call the shooting foul that I regret later, but I'm getting better at waiting a second to see if it affects the shot (note, I don't wait to see if the shot goes in.)

[tomegun]

I regret far less than I used to.

I'm beginning to think the term "Patient whistle" is used like the word "Integrity", thrown around a lot but in reality few practice it.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm saying that once I the idea of A/D clicked with me and I started applying it, I started getting better at it. I still occasionally call the shooting foul that I regret later, but I'm getting better at waiting a second to see if it affects the shot (note, I don't wait to see if the shot goes in.)

I understand what you are saying. Can you point me in the right direction about the A/D in the rule book? I want to understand this rule better.

[Adam]

Rule 4-19, the definition of a foul:

Originally Posted by rule 4-19, in part

A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements....

Combine that with rule 4-27-3:

Originally Posted by rule 4-27-3

Similarly, contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental.

Protecting the airborne shooter does not imply you have to call a foul every time there is contact. Often times in the post there is contact which has no affect on the shooter, especially in the post.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by truerookie

An airborne shooter must be protected. irregardless of the amount of contact.

Minor contact on the shooter that does not alter the shot or give an advantage is not a foul. Therefore there is nothing to protect the shooter from.

[TheOracle]

This is a great topic, combining And 1's with A/D. Two questions should be answered in this decision. Did the offensive player win the matchup on the scoring play against the defense? If so, did the offensive player get affected by the contact such that he had to alter his shot? If the answer to both is yes, ring it up. If the answer to the second question is no, you can wait to ring it up. That allows you to pass if the ball goes straight through, because the contact may not have been as severe as you thought. Conversely, you may have thought there was minimal contact with the look you had, yet if the shot is clearly affected, you can call the late foul and reward him for beating the defense.

We don;t get them all correct. Patient whistles can help with how we are perceived and aid in game management in these And-1 and A/D situiations. Doing this, you'll rarely hear about a ticky-tack And-1, and have an easy answer to the "late call" complaint.